Why the Bible is true

[gall]

A bunch of lame claims of prophecy and biblical accuracy. "They shall look upon him whom they have pierced" does not necessarily describe a crucifixion. Sounds more like someone being stabbed.

And what about all of Jesus' failed prophecies of the end of the world and returning in his listeners' lifetimes? What about the fact that the messiah was supposed to be a military leader with an earthly kingdom, which Jesus never was? What about "he shall be called Immanuel" which Jesus never was in the New Testament?

Jesus was stabbed, wasn't he?

I think we'd all agree that the end of the world hasn't happened yet, so Jesus could still be right. And Jesus was right, the generation He was talking to saw the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, the question they were asking about.

I agree that the Messiah was predicted to be a military leader with an earthly kingdom, and I still think He will be. I know you might view this as a complete copout, but I'm agreeing with you that this is what was promised so one should expect it to be so.

I'm sure you know that Immanuel literally means "God with us" which is what many viewed Jesus as.

I'm posting this not really to start a fight or to disrespect. To be honest, I'm not sure what to expect.

You should expect to be asked to prove the claims you are making in your religion. You can expect not everyone will be nice about it and they will hold you to a very high standard and the burden of proof. They will hold you to not using circular fallacious arguments and straw men to do so.

People will not just accept a claim you make because you believe in faith that god exists. So you might not understand why but don't assume they will just assume you are right because you say god exists. This is not a pro christian forum so expect that and take a grain of salt with anything anyone says about anything including yourself.

[Minimalist]

I think we'd all agree that the end of the world hasn't happened yet, so Jesus could still be right.

What about all that shit about "this generation" ( i.e., the people he was speaking to) still being around to witness it? Forgot that little kernel of bullshit, eh?

[Captain Colostomy]

Holy necropost batman!

This post's resurrection lends disturbing anecdotal evidence to the OP title, to be sure.

[Doubting Thomas]

I think we'd all agree that the end of the world hasn't happened yet, so Jesus could still be right. And Jesus was right, the generation He was talking to saw the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, the question they were asking about.

No, he said that "this generation shall not pass from the earth until all these be fulfilled." In other words, all the end times prophecies he was making were supposed to happen in that generation. He said nothing about the temple in Matthew 24.

It's not just that passage, but many others where he said, for instance, "there be some standing here who won't taste of death" until his second coming.

Jesus ain't coming back.

[Minimalist]

Fucking jesus can't come back. He wasn't here the first time.

[Doubting Thomas]

That's a response to all the "He's coming back!" rhetoric of the fundie Christian crowd. If Jesus actually existed, they're about 2000 years too late.

[Tonus]

No, he said that "this generation shall not pass from the earth until all these be fulfilled." In other words, all the end times prophecies he was making were supposed to happen in that generation. He said nothing about the temple in Matthew 24.

His prophecies in Matthew 24 are linked to his prediction regarding the destruction of the temple. The first three verses read:

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” 3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

The "sign of your coming" part is what Christians use to link the following parts with a future event, since Christ did not return in the lifetime of the disciples. When this happened, his words in Matthew 24 had to be re-interpreted to have a future meaning, otherwise the story pretty much ended back then.

[Jackalope]

Jesus ain't coming back.

If they wanted him to come back, they should have had him nailed to a freaking boomerang.

[Minimalist]

2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

A situation which did not happen until 135 when Hadrian leveled the ruins in order to build the new Roman city of Aelia Capitolina right on top of it. The shitwits hate to hear that, too.

[Doubting Thomas]

OK, been a while since I read Mt 24, so I was thinking it was one chapter which began with Jesus speaking to an unnamed group, explaining the things to come at the end of the world, where he also explains that those things would happen in his listeners' lifetime.