Prayer ... SERIOUSLY?!

[Cinjin]

given your atheistic world view, why is slavery and dropping bombs on people even wrong? Seems you have to borrow from my world view in order to even argue against it.

As if I need your god to know what's right and wrong you arrogant fuck!

[Statler Waldorf]

[Shell B]

Apparently I get my history from the same place Univerisity of Kings College does. Sorry if that offends you.

You know, I have noticed an awful habit among creationists of claiming they have offended debate opponents when clearly being offended is not their positions. It is almost as if you want to be able to offend opponents. I assure you, I am not offended. Baffled, perhaps . . .

I was not including Germany in the bloodbath quote, I was including the Soviet Union, Cambodia, and Chinda. Although there 3rd reich was loaded with atheists as well as theists so I saw that as a bit of a wash.

I believe you said "atheist nations" in your original post on the subject. Now, you are using the term "regime." (see below) Cambodia, China and the Soviet Union are not and were not atheist nations. There is no such thing as an "atheist nation." However, we have had this discussion before and I don't want to read your biased statements on the subject again. No offense.

You guys always point to the crusades and inquisition which of course happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago and pale in comparison to the atrocities committeed in the 20th century by atheistic regimes.

They pale in comparison? You can't be serious. A. The atrocities you speak of were not committed in the name of atheism. Christians cannot say the same about the Crusades and Inquisitions. B. Time makes no difference. The beginning middle and current status of your religion has been one peppered with violence, hatred and bigotry. Some Christians choose to ignore it, some embrace it.

More people were killed in cambodia on one day than were ever killed in the inquistion. I think comparing a dixie cup to the ocean is a bit of a cowardly game myself. You also seem to forget that the abolishionist movement was let by Christians. Not why dropping atomic bombs is somehow magically worse than leveling the same cities with normal bombs.

Again, there was more than one Inquisition. Please provide sources for this outrageous claim that more people were killed in Cambodia in one day than in the Inquisitions. Furthermore, the abolitionist movement was not led by Christians. That is another absurd assumption. Sure, some were Christian, but to say all were is just something you are pulling out of your ass. Oh, and atomic bombs wreak havoc for untold years to come. Survivors are still casualties. Their children become casualties, and so on. The difference is obvious.

Since nobody on here has ever answered this maybe you can, given your atheistic world view, why is slavery and dropping bombs on people even wrong? Seems you have to borrow from my world view in order to even argue against it.

I am sure people have answered it, but you just didn't like the answer. Slavery and dropping bombs are wrong because hindering the freedom of and killing innocent people is wrong. Now, you may think that borrows from your worldview, but I think the opposite. Firstly, Christians do not have a monopoly on humanitarian issues. Secondly, the Bible is clear that god thinks murder is okay, so long as you do it when he asks. It is also clear that slavery is okay in the Bible. Don't give me your bullshit, Stat. Come up with something that cannot be refuted by your own holy book.

[Statler Waldorf]

[reverendjeremiah]

Done... never liked your crap anyways, and never understood why the Mods allow you to flame your fundy bullcrap all over this atheist forum anyways. People like you would surely not reciprocate if the situation were reversed.

Because he has done nothing worthy of banishment. I understand your sentiment, but people who contribute without breaking the rules enough times to warrant being banned are welcome here. Sure, he would not reciprocate, but I don't start behaving like people I disagree with just to get back at them for disagreeing with me. This situation is exactly what the ignore function is for. Enjoy, Jeremiah.

I understand, and I dont knock the mod team for running it their way. To be honest this is one of the first forum sites I have joined that I am not a moderator on, and I am happy about the fact. Dealing with a few hundred atheists on a Yahoo group took its toll on me, and I helped institute a "quick ban" procedure dealing with the fundies and chatty Cathy's. If someone came on a-preachin' and people started leaving the group. We banned them (or silenced them) immediately and I would personally contact the members who left to inform them that the situation was fixed and to please come back. Our atheist group that I was moderating was so popular that we were front page on the local newspaper. It was a hell of a job for me. No pay. All of the headache trying to herd cats. The experience points were worth it...we managed to get a great many number of atheists to atend a rally on the "under god" Supreme court decision.


Thats me holding the sign

These days I focus more on my Union position as loan officer for the Credit union and Examining board.

Its time for the younger generation to take a stand for the first amendment as I have, and I try to encourage them as much as possible to do so.

[Statler Waldorf]

[5thHorseman]

[Cinjin]

[5thHorseman]

You act like guys like Bacon and Newton were not Christians, their theistic presuppositions directly fueld their science.

Christianity in no way influences science. Science is about searching for the truth, nothing in religion can point it in the correct path. 1600 year old twice traslated mishmashed nonsensical jibberjabber cannot. Yes they were christians but christianity has nothing to do with science, and it definately has nothing to do with intelligence (Of which they both had in abundance).

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You believe that if Stalin and Mao had believed they would receive justice for their actions after their death they still would have killed millions? I doubt it; their atheism directly fueled their actions.

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Ok so why didn't the christian churches stop massacring during crusades, witch burning, northern irish troubles, and hitler etc. kinda shits on your directly fuelled bs. did none of these people feel guilt or that they were doing wrong? maybe they were all atheist as well.

[Statler Waldorf]