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RE: Pray Away the Gay
June 14, 2011 at 2:47 am
The opening of Leviticus 18 talks about the cananite practices to avoid
Quote:2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the LORD your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices.
Then it starts listing those rules.. all of them sexual and dealing with females. then they move into general/neighborhood women. Then they get to
Quote: 21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.
and then your scripture and a bunch more following the same thread of rituals and sacrifices and bestiality. Offering children as a human sacrifice is attested in the Bible as a "foreign" practice among Israelites. Such children were burnt. Evidence from Phoenician archaeology seems to confirm such a practice among the descendants of Canaanite culture. The Bible texts describe such human sacrifices as offered to - or possibly "as" - molek in other places as well. It's when people were converting to Judaism and a lot of the temples picked up those foreign, pagan and cultural influences to make transition easier (like the catholics did with Christmas).
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RE: Pray Away the Gay
June 14, 2011 at 3:49 am
But even if you are correct in your interpretation that Lev. 18:22 is referring to Pagan temple practices(which to me seems a bit of a stretch but I'm no scholar), the very next verse on bestiality would have to be interpeted in the same context. So if man lying with man is only being condemned in Pagan temples then man lying with beast would also only be condemned in Pagan temples. So if it's okay for man to lie with man outside of this context, then why it wouldn't also be okay for man to lie with beast?
Also, if verse 2 establishes the context then could you not also interpret verses 3-21 under the same context? To me, it appears as if there's special pleading for verse 22.
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RE: Pray Away the Gay
June 14, 2011 at 6:44 am
Quote:Concerning 1 Corinthians 6:9-10:
There are various interpretations of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 of which this is one. The Jerusalem Bible, New American Bible, and James Moffatt translation use the word "catamites," or the phrase "boy prostitutes" to describe one group of individuals that Paul believed will go to Hell because of their behavior on Earth. Catamites and boy prostitutes were often a boy or male youth who was kept as a sexual partner/slave of an adult male.
The verse is profoundly immoral by today's secular and most religious moral standards because it transfers punishment from the guilty perpetrator to the innocent victim. This type of transfer is seen many passages throughout the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Many religious liberals believe that these passages are immoral and should be ignored because they are clearly opposed to the will of God.
That's from that site you linked. Focusing on the last sentence, do you simply ignore the passages in the bible "because they are clearly opposed to the will of God", or more likely, don't suit your particular view of the world, or that of society around you? How do you pick what to believe?
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RE: Pray Away the Gay
June 14, 2011 at 8:42 am
(June 14, 2011 at 3:49 am)FaithNoMore Wrote:
It does establish it as a list of bad practices that "those heathen" do and us good guys aren't supposed to do. It goes from lots of verse specified towards women to more and more perverse practices. There's a shift in the verse prior to the quoted verse that I showed where it went from women and blood to prostitues in the temples and animals. I don't personally find it natural to desire boinking a sheep or a dude, so for me to do either (regardless of where I was) would be a sin against the laws that God has laid on my heart, against my very nature. If you love sheep and want to boink them and hey turn you on, there's nothing I'm going to condemn you for. It says lay with a man like a woman. If you're attracted to women and screw a dude, I'd consider that a sin. That why I consider bisexuality more of a sin ( IDK, perhaps because they can't make up there mind.). But if you're truly attracted to the individual as a person (I'm still up in the air on the sheep), it shouldn't matter what their sex is.
(June 14, 2011 at 6:44 am)BloodyHeretic Wrote:
I don't agree with everything on the site. I don't ignore any verses. There are several interpretations. I prefer the ones that don't deny a particular scripture or ignore one. I don't know how sodomites got replaced by a word first used in 1892 (homosexual) . .. it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't be about both men and women either. I'm content with my exegesis on homosexuality.
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RE: Pray Away the Gay
June 14, 2011 at 11:27 am
Well I'm glad you've picked a better interpretation than most christians, although I still fail to see why you've picked it other than you don't want to condemn homosexuals in spite of the bible. As long as your happy though 
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RE: Pray Away the Gay
June 14, 2011 at 6:08 pm
We're all freaks. There's no such thing as normal. Especially where I live.
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RE: Pray Away the Gay
June 14, 2011 at 6:17 pm
(June 14, 2011 at 6:08 pm)binny Wrote: We're all freaks. There's no such thing as normal. Especially where I live.
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