sexual orientation issue

[Violet]

Being as I don't care about legality, and I find the understanding of 'consent' the be anything more than agreement to be silly:

I find

My view on the subject is more of a purely legal one:

"Consenting" is a right only Human Adults in their right mind have. Consent is not only about sex, it's about a number of other things, like contracts.

People with mental disabilities, children, animals, dead people, none of those is legally allowed to give consent, as such an adult male having sex with any of those would commit a rape. For dead people, it would be considered as desecrating the body (same law that goes against grave-robbing), which is also illegal.

Rather funny.

People with mental disabilities can still consent. As can children. As can animals (observe that humans are animals).

My dildo can't give consent... feel like taking action when I have sex with it?

You legal people are all weird and stuff.

Edit note: It is entirely legal in the Silicoid Empire to fuck anyone that wants to be fucked by you. And why the hell wouldn't it be okay to have sex with the dead?

Try to remember that legality is intensely subjective and ultimately tells us nothing philosophically as to why a thing should or shouldn't be allowed

[MilesTailsPrower]

1. What do you think about incest? - Typically for a person that will never want to have incest, so to me it would seem weird. But on the other hand you have to understand that they are different. But for me I don't really think incest is good because 1. It's your family. 2. Genetic mutation.

How would you feel if you saw them doing those things and you knew that they are brother and sister? (see live/porn - TV, computer) Should our society consider it "ok"? Why? Would you feel ok if these persons you have seen are part of your family? - It would be messed up for me. And who cares what society thinks. We all have different opinions and yet that forces us to act different towards others.

2. What do you think about sex with animals? - It's not normal? Wouldn't it be considered rape if the ANIMAL didn't want it? How would you be able to notice if an animal is wanting it? But since I live in kentucky it is completely legal for this to happen.

How would you feel if you saw these persons doing those things? (see live/porn - TV, computer) Should our society consider it "ok"? Why? Would you feel ok if these persons you have seen are part of your family? (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, etc.) - Watching porn is one thing but if it actually impulses you to let's say, snatch up a child and molest it then no.

3. What do you think about sex with dead people (and perhaps, also with animals)? - HELL NO!

4. What do you think about minor sex (e.g. 8 years old)? - Not my problem. I don't really care about it at all, but hell we are all animals so do whatever. But they really can't understand the consequences of what would happen.

5. What do you think about male homosexuality? - Let them be gay. They are old enough to understand everything. If they want it they want it. It's frowned upon but even if it is it shouldn't be ILLEGAL.

7. What do you think about prostitution and paid sex? - I'll buy.

[Ashendant]

2. What do you think about sex with animals? - It's not normal? Wouldn't it be considered rape if the ANIMAL didn't want it? How would you be able to notice if an animal is wanting it? But since I live in kentucky it is completely legal for this to happen.

They'll hump your leg

[MilesTailsPrower]

2. What do you think about sex with animals? - It's not normal? Wouldn't it be considered rape if the ANIMAL didn't want it? How would you be able to notice if an animal is wanting it? But since I live in kentucky it is completely legal for this to happen.

They'll hump your leg

Lol then how do you go about raping a goat? Does it come over and hump your leg? I remember when i was at the dinner table and my goat went under the table and started humping my leg? Doesn't make sense to me?

[Girlysprite]

Being as I don't care about legality, and I find the understanding of 'consent' the be anything more than agreement to be silly:

I find

My view on the subject is more of a purely legal one:

"Consenting" is a right only Human Adults in their right mind have. Consent is not only about sex, it's about a number of other things, like contracts.

People with mental disabilities, children, animals, dead people, none of those is legally allowed to give consent, as such an adult male having sex with any of those would commit a rape. For dead people, it would be considered as desecrating the body (same law that goes against grave-robbing), which is also illegal.

Rather funny.

People with mental disabilities can still consent. As can children. As can animals (observe that humans are animals).

My dildo can't give consent... feel like taking action when I have sex with it?

You legal people are all weird and stuff.

Edit note: It is entirely legal in the Silicoid Empire to fuck anyone that wants to be fucked by you. And why the hell wouldn't it be okay to have sex with the dead?

Try to remember that legality is intensely subjective and ultimately tells us nothing philosophically as to why a thing should or shouldn't be allowed

As for your dildo, it is an inanimate object, no emotions, no life, so it doesn't matter.
As for consent, it is more difficult with children en people with mental disabilities, because for a proper consent a person has to be able to forsee the concquences of their actions to a good degree. They also need to be capable to defend themselves against pressure. Young children and certain people with mental disabilities are not fully capable of doing so because their brain is not properly wired for this. They do not always understand the matter fully, don't know all the concequences and can not easily say no. Because of that, they need a degree of protection from the law.

[Anymouse]

People with mental disabilities, . . . , none of those is legally allowed to give consent, . . .

I have a documented mental disability (besides my epilepsy), which was part of what forced me out of the military after seventeen years. Spent some fun times in places where they lock the doors from the inside.

I assure you (at least in this country) persons with such "disabilities" can and do give legal consent to all kinds of things, including sex and marriage. We can even get drivers' licences. And vote.

(Owning a gun is tricky, but we can run for office too. And if enough of us do the latter, perhaps we can reverse the designation "mentally ill" to the Tea Partiers. There are more of us.)

Concerning people naturally not wanting adult incestuous relationships (where "incest" is still a matter of opinion, not biology), if that were truly the case, governments and churches would not write laws against it. They have plenty other things to worry about, like churches telling you who you can associate with and legislators voting themselves pay raises.

James

[Violet]

As for your dildo, it is an inanimate object, no emotions, no life, so it doesn't matter.

As for a dead body, it is an inanimate object, no emotions, no life, so it doesn't matter.

As for consent, it is more difficult with children en people with mental disabilities, because for a proper consent a person has to be able to forsee the concquences of their actions to a good degree.

Sounds like an NTS from the get-go to me. This consent isn't 'actual' consent, only consent from 'x group' is true consent.

I find it's rather easy to obtain the consent of children. Not all of the 'mentally disabled' people are easier to get the consent of (paranoid schizophrenic in example).

They also need to be capable to defend themselves against pressure.

Extraneous and impossible. When brute force fails: use more brute force. There is no magical moment at which you are safe from being pressured.

(Explanation of response) Clearly you didn't mean what you said literally, or anything capable of reacting against 'pressure' is included. Such as caterpillars.

Young children and certain people with mental disabilities are not fully capable of doing so because their brain is not properly wired for this.

Humans are altogether not fully capable of doing so because they are not as capable as they could be. Perhaps it is that their brain isn't properly wired... but I like to think it is because there are many millennia ahead in which they might develop further.

They do not always understand the matter fully, don't know all the concequences and can not easily say no.

As if one could 'fully understand' any matter. As if one could know all of the consequences. As if one could not easily say 'no' when it is one of the first words we learn and one which we repeat with great emphasis through the ages...

Because of that, they need a degree of protection from the law.

No. They need protection from the law because the lawgiver has ridiculous punishments for the lightest of 'crimes'. Without the lawgiver: they need no protection from the lawgiver.

[Faith No More]

I have a documented mental disability (besides my epilepsy), which was part of what forced me out of the military after seventeen years. Spent some fun times in places where they lock the doors from the inside.

I assure you (at least in this country) persons with such "disabilities" can and do give legal consent to all kinds of things, including sex and marriage. We can even get drivers' licences. And vote.

(Owning a gun is tricky, but we can run for office too. And if enough of us do the latter, perhaps we can reverse the designation "mentally ill" to the Tea Partiers. There are more of us.)

I think Rwandrall's point was more directed at people with developmental disabilities. Of course, that's not what's posted, but I don't think most people understand how all-encompassing the terms 'mental illness' and 'mental disability' are. Technically, I am mentally ill, but I have no cognitive impairment, which I believe was what was being referred to.

[Epimethean]

Aerzia, that last post was fantastic.

[Zenith]

And I'll challenge them!
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I can feel good seeing an 8 year old sucking the dick of a 50 year old man. I also can feel quite good about incest. It doesn't strike me in either the same direction or at the same level.

Did you really see an 8 year old boy sucking the dick of a 50 year old man?

And why shouldn't the number of people who "practice incest" grow?

I ask you another question, namely, why should the number of people who practice incest grow?

If it was 'very disgusting' then I imagine you saw either an ugly woman or an ugly dog or both.

No, it was a young lady and a big dog (quite beautiful). I didn't watch too much back then so I can't give you too many details now.

3. sex with dead people (and perhaps, also with animals)
If it's about people, as long as they are not rotten, I guess it's pretty ok. though perhaps ridiculous and others can have a good time laughing of such a person. otherwise, yuuuckk!! (especially if they are animals)

It's not about people. It's about corpses. Which are inanimate as a steak, and couldn't care less what you do to them.

When I said "if it's about people" I meant "if it's about human beings", sorry if that was misleading.
Anyway, why would one desire to fuck a dead dog? For some reason it sounds very 'abnormal' to us. Would it be because such things do not happen to often in our societies and we are not taught since children to accept it as normal and natural?

4. minor sex (e.g. 8 years old)
I totally disagree with minor sex, ESPECIALLY an adult having sex with a minor (the laws are currently pretty crappy, as it seems, because they make illegal the sex between an 18 years old guy and a 17 years old girl), but the fact is that an 8 years old boy should never have sex with an adult!

Never? I can see plenty of reasons for it. So much for a fact.

Name them, then.

I believe the society must punish (usually, it does) such a thing.

Why must society punish this?

Because it has bad psychological effects to children. That's what I've heard at least.

As about sex between minors, that's also a bad thing. I'm not sure about the psychological effects, but I seriously don't believe it's normal or natural to do that at that age.

How is it a bad thing if there are no adverse psychological effects to having sex at a young age? I daresay without someone sexually accepting me: I wouldn't be here at all right now. Not a bad thing at all, by my reckoning.

I've also heard people having sex since ~10 years old (with children of their age) and they don't seem to have suffered some psychological things. I sincerely don't know for sure why sex between minors is really bad.

5. male homosexuality
I've once watched a porn video, at the thumbnail (or, how it's called, that small image that you get an idea what is about) I thought it's a woman sucking the dick while being fucked (that person was standing on knees and was also sustained by the hands). I started to watch the video, and I realized it was a man sucking the dick while being fucked in the ass. It turned by stomach upside down.

I don't know too much information about homosexuality (and here, by homosexuality I mean - as I talk about male men - to be attracted only by men, and therefore not to be attracted by a hot lady or have orgasm if you have sex with her - if a guy has sex with both male and female, he's not a homosexual, but a bisexual, and I can't understand that as "created so by the nature" or something).

Sounds to me like you've seen only part of *one* gay flick (incredible if you've spent much time on the internet at all)... I don't consider your distaste of it to be particularly secure.

Secure... for whom? for me? why?

There is a thing I don't understand about homosexuality however... that is, we're all capable of having sex with another male (think like this: if you do it, you'll receive $1000000, would you do it?), and perhaps most of us have at least once in their life felt attracted to another [male] man. Also, the first time I fell in 'love' with someone, it was a boy (well, I was 8 years old, and back then I didn't know about sex or even about kissing - but the fact was and it still is that the society where I live in do not regard such thing at all as something normal, so I also understood it as abnormal.). Anyway, the fact is that after some time I also started to like (or, love, whatever it was) a girl. The other interesting thing is that if you spend enough time (perhaps something like one or two years) only among men, and not women at all, you start to feel attracted to another male (or other males). The same happens in jail: male men stay together for years, with no women, and therefore they start to fuck each other. And if all women would suddenly disappear forever from the planet, 99%+ of men would turn homosexual. So I don't understand why or how the "homosexuals" (I talk about those males who never feel attracted by women) are more special than us. Is there a gay gene or something? I don't know, if a gay male says "I can't stop having sex with men" then 99% of the world population - that has started their sexual life - can't cease having sex as long as he/she lives, so I don't see a big difference.

This makes not one iota of sense to me... homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality. Both of them are misnomer groups created by people unable to come to terms with themselves.

Then why do some people claim that it is gays' nature to be gay? It's only "sex" after all.

female homosexuality
Female homosexuality... as long as the women are hot & young, it's ok. If there are two fat old ladies, yuuuuckk!!
Perhaps it's because I do get hot if I see two hot young ladies naked, so whatever they do, it's ok!!
(and yeah, I'm a male, if there is anybody who did not figure this out by now)

By the way, I've once seen a broadcast on TV, where a lesbian insisted how good and normal lesbianism is. The striking thing was that she brought as justifications the fact that "no man can understand me as a woman does" and that "as a woman, she knows where and how to produce me best sexual pleasure". I mean, if there are people that are homosexual (now, both men and women) because of these reasons, I think they should rather visit a psychologist or something!

It's true that most men can't understand her as well as many women can. But there will always be the special outliers.

And it is also true that women have an easier time understanding what they want than a man does what they want. Men can also understand men more easily than women can understand them. That isn't to say either is particularly complex (women are typically harder. Or softer, as it were).

The only reason to visit a psychologist is to get 2 little letters saying you are you. And stable, let's not forget that technicality. No need to fill up the psychologist with depression and especially not confusion... that's just getting in the way of the people who actually need to see them (the possibly insane, the transexual, the criminal, and a few others of similar severity).

I'm not sure I understand your point correctly. Do you agree the fact that being harder for men to understand women and being harder for women to understand men should not be a reason for turning homosexual (whether male of female)?

7. prostitution and paid sex
I don't agree with paid sex. There are women who prostitute in order to have food for their children, but I'm not talking about this situation (and many women also ask for food instead of money, because the laws in the state currently forbid being paid, i.e. paid with money, for the sexual services).

I think that if paid sex was eliminated, then a lot of pimps would also disappear (and I also heard that women & lads that are kidnapped and forced for prostitution are used for things such as clubs, though I don't remember 100% correctly all the info). Also the money that we use to enrich so many porn stars could be used to help children that are starving, children in africa and in poor countries, etc.

Hold... do you watch porn? Paid sex. Almost all of it.

You cannot eliminate paid sex. Control substances... sure: most will deal with that. Get rid of a primary incentive for sex by women? Crime will skyrocket and any non-totalitarian government will fall.[/hide]

It is true that I cannot eliminate paid sex. It would be the same as attempting to change this world into a perfect world (which is likewise an idealistic thing, a utopia). As about the skyrocket... the fact is that the senses are only being 'turned on' by porn (and they are not the only things that turn on). And humanity could not suffer due to a lack of it. Anyway, on the other side, you can find real persons on the streets.

And if I would be to chose between enriching a porn star and helping the poor children that are starving and have no future, I'd use that money to help those children have a future.

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8. What do you think about Asexuals?

Not my business. I've heard that there are even married couples that are not having sex. I'd call it madness, but it's their business.

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“I can see your point... what I can't see is why it matters to anyone but you.”
Sure, and perhaps you can’t see also why Holocaust jokes seem to bother mostly Jews.

Is there anyone out there, reading these comments, who may be willing to acknowledge that this conversation is no longer funny?

I'm not the kind of guy who's usually feeling amused, but if you are interested in my opinion, here are some points:
1. Your discussion (that topic) does not matter to me. I don't feel in any way regarding it.
2. You seem to expect too much of people (like, them to be like you).
3. People (now I mean, 95%+, regardless of race, religious views, etc.) don't care too much about having a smart discussion, with a desire that everybody would respect everybody and to try to be open-minded to things they disagree with, etc. On the other hand, something funny, superficial, also mockery sounds more attractive to people.
4. Regarding the holocaust & jews, it doesn't sound nice to me to make fun of such a thing. And if you ask me, I never heard a holocaust joke, it's only an opinion how I'd regard it.

“We aren't actually xenophobic. But I'd think a joke about the greedy jews is funny, and lazy blacks the same.”
And that is not xenophobic?

If that makes people regard the jews or the blacks as "bad", then jokes like that are bad. And yeah, displaying the jews as greedy is a method of doing that.
There are also jokes with gypsies, but as far as I know, these do not show them as "evil" or "bad" or "inferior" (they do not influence people see the gypsies in a certain bad way due to the jokes).