sexual orientation issue

[Zenith]

Did you really see an 8 year old boy sucking the dick of a 50 year old man?q

In mind's eye? Absolutely.

I can also imagine me torturing babies, but trust me, I couldn't do that in the real life. Nor watch somebody else doing that.

I ask you another question, namely, why should the number of people who practice incest grow?

Because it's something sexual that doesn't hurt me in any way at all. Same reason I would give for heterosexuality of females and homosexuality of males.

ok, so by this logic, the number of suicidal persons should also grow, because that doesn't hurt you in any way at all?
Why would you care so much for a guy to marry his own sister rather than marry other girl, that is not part of his family?

If it was 'very disgusting' then I imagine you saw either an ugly woman or an ugly dog or both.

No, it was a young lady and a big dog (quite beautiful). I didn't watch too much back then so I can't give you too many details now.

Ugliness has naught to do with youth. If they were both sexy: I cannot imagine their sex not being at least as sexy as their bodies in the first place.

Start watching porn with animals. Then give your opinion on that.

When I said "if it's about people" I meant "if it's about human beings", sorry if that was misleading.
Anyway, why would one desire to fuck a dead dog? For some reason it sounds very 'abnormal' to us. Would it be because such things do not happen to often in our societies and we are not taught since children to accept it as normal and natural?

Why would one not have a desire to fuck a dead dog? Only reason I can see is germophobia.

It sounds abnormal to you, not to me. I taught myself largely, since few others were doing it.

I don't know if you're joking or not, but the fact is that I can't give a reason why sex with a dead dog is wrong. I mean, I know that it does not 'happen in the nature', i.e. goats do not fuck dead dogs, etc. but we - humans - also do things that animals do not, and we do not do things that the animals do (e.g. if one is seen jumping on a goat and biting its neck and starting to eat from it while still alive and uncooked, he is regarded by everybody as "abnormal", not "normal", though such things do happen in the nature).

4. minor sex (e.g. 8 years old)
I totally disagree with minor sex, ESPECIALLY an adult having sex with a minor (the laws are currently pretty crappy, as it seems, because they make illegal the sex between an 18 years old guy and a 17 years old girl), but the fact is that an 8 years old boy should never have sex with an adult!

Never? I can see plenty of reasons for it. So much for a fact.

Name them, then.

1: Offered money for it.
2: Curiosity.
3: Interested in it and wants to try it out.
4: His parents arrange a marriage that must be consummated.
5: Trading sex for a nonmilitary gain.
6: Fascination with the feelings of genital arousal.
9: Thinks something tastes good.
10: Understands how sex works and is doing it for fun.
etc.

And you don't have any reason why an 8 year old child should not have sex with a 50 years old man?

I believe the society must punish (usually, it does) such a thing.

Why must society punish this?

Because it has bad psychological effects to children. That's what I've heard at least.

And i've heard eating McDonalds can lead to obesity in children and adults alike. Shall society punish anything that is remotely negative?

Yes. There are also sold foods that have bad effects on human beings. So selling them would be like selling poisonous food, which only takes much longer until you get illed.

I've also heard people having sex since ~10 years old (with children of their age) and they don't seem to have suffered some psychological things. I sincerely don't know for sure why sex between minors is really bad.

It isn't really bad. It isn't bad a lot. It isn't a little bad. Congratulate them on their curiosity and sense of adventure I say.

I don't know why, but I have that odd idea that children should do things of children (play with toys, use their imagination to draw, to play, etc.) rather than doing adult things.

Sounds to me like you've seen only part of *one* gay flick (incredible if you've spent much time on the internet at all)... I don't consider your distaste of it to be particularly secure.

Secure... for whom? for me? why?

For you. I didn't like water with cereal the first time I tried it. Month later I can't even stand to eat it with milk.

Yeah, but for instance, convincing a straight guy (male) to have sex with other guys (males) until he enjoys it, doesn't sound to be a good idea. Under the umbrella that "you'll start to like after some time" you can force somebody to do anything against his will.

Anyway, why do you think that isn't secure for me?

Then why do some people claim that it is gays' nature to be gay? It's only "sex" after all.

Because some people prefer sex with their own sex to sex with another sex?

That doesn't make them to be that because of their "nature". It's only preference. Or getting used to being so.

I'm not sure I understand your point correctly. Do you agree the fact that being harder for men to understand women and being harder for women to understand men should not be a reason for turning homosexual (whether male of female)?

Turning homosexual due to reason? Not possible.

Are you certain? If yes, what makes you so certain?

And if I would be to chose between enriching a porn star and helping the poor children that are starving and have no future, I'd use that money to help those children have a future.

You just said that these children have no future. Why give something to something that cannot make use of it?

It appears you didn't read carefully what I said. I said that I would instead help children that don't have a future to have a future. In other words, I would ensure a future for the children that don't have one. That's because "having no future" is not an inherent thing (i.e. it's not in their nature to be so).

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I'm starting to feel like this forum is full of sexual deviants. I thought I was weird.

I also think sometimes that I am insane, that I had lost my sanity long ago, or that I have only some sanity left. But I start to feel as a "normal" person when I see others how insane they are - and in those occasions, there is no need for me to feel myself as "special" (this works in occasions in which my insanity is the same as their insanity, but their level of insanity is higher than mine). In the other situations, when I'm surrounded by insane people, I start to think "Is it me who is not sane while everybody else is sane??" - because the thought that I might be sane and all the others insane sounds... incredible (it's almost impossible to believe it).

[Darth]

I've no problem with working to pay off an education after you've received it. Here in aus you get enough to just get by without having to work whilst you study, and the government education loan (HECS/HELP) is real generous (Don't even have to pay it if you leave the country).

That's how it should be*, having to work whilst studying is counter productive and furthers the divides.

*well, i have lots of issues with it, not having to pay if you leave and things like theology and philosophy being funded for example, but the broad idea i'm in agreement with

[Zenith]

I'd also like to point out that I have heard quite some stories (a number of which first hand) of people who had sexual encounters with adults before they even hit puberty. None of them were positive, and several of these people had major problems in their later life as a result of that. It is a strong indication that disrupting the natural sexual development of a young child leads to bad results. To be clear - by disrupting I mean having sexual encounters with the young child, like sex or oral sex. many children feel uncomfortable with it, but don't have the knowledge and skilsl yet to articulate why it feels wrong, and don't have the skill to say no and enforce that.

And as so few good things seem to come from adults having sex with young children, the society will react with hostility to such things.

But, do you know any bad effect that children suffer if they have sex with other children of their age? or it is to them the same as "playing" (you know, trusting each other, etc.)

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The first time I got laid, it was by an adult. Granted, she was 18 and I was 14, so not a massive difference, but it wasn't too bad at all, and I would have loved to shack up with my Shakespeare teacher. I have a sincere belief that it would have been educational in the best ways.

at the age of 14-15 one starts to feel sexual attraction. So perhaps that was why it wasn't felt "bad" or "odd" or something.

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Laws are an attempt to control that which cannot be controlled. People don't kill others because it isn't worth it to them already... having a law stating that you cannot is redundant and useless. It is a kindness to inform the weak of what you might do should they do something that you do not like... it is an idiocy to believe that because you might do something in response they will not do it.

Actually Sae, if there was no law by harshly punishing murder, things would have been much different. I myself have some people in mind that I'd kill at first sight if I didn't fear spending lots of years in a dirty jail (which also means, losing a lot of years of my life) while having my future stained with this (i.e. employers not employing me because they have the info about me).

Meaning that blanket laws do not work.

The laws are some bases for the judges to play justice (or, with the interpretation of the law).

For example - killing is bad.

I believe otherwise... but I'll take your example for sake of argument.

I actually believe she is right. Only that there should be a lot of exceptions to that law.

The will of the dead is irrelevant. Reason that "wills" exist currently: rich people wanting to get richer when other people die.

Actually I guess the dead body belongs to his livings relatives. So raping the dead body harms the feelings of the family. And the only way sex with the dead body should be allowed is if all his relatives agree with it. But anyway, why would one struggle so much for a corpse, when there are a lot of living bodies around? Perhaps that's why nobody struggles to allow "sex with dead bodies" after all.

And sex is easier than relationships...

Yeah, but so it is running from responsibilities!
And I guess 'love' (the feeling of true devotion, respect, caring, etc.) between a guy and a girl, if it can exist, should not be thrown away as waste. And for some reason it appears to me that excessive sex has a detrimental effect against true "love" (i.e. the true feeling of love, with all the respect, caring, devotion, faithfulness, forgiveness, etc. it means), and therefore against a long-lasting, serious relationship. People who are living in excessive sex seem rather to be superficial (superficiality, by definition, does not allow the developing of very deep feelings) and to confound "love" with "attraction" - things which may not allow them to live a desired relationship.

[Epimethean]

I've no problem with working to pay off an education after you've received it. Here in aus you get enough to just get by without having to work whilst you study, and the government education loan (HECS/HELP) is real generous (Don't even have to pay it if you leave the country).

That's how it should be*, having to work whilst studying is counter productive and furthers the divides.

*well, i have lots of issues with it, not having to pay if you leave and things like theology and philosophy being funded for example, but the broad idea i'm in agreement with

Well, there's a reason Australia's on the top of the civilization charts. Malheureusement, the U.S. has made a business out of everything, including education. As for deciding which things get funded and which don't, that's a very greasy incline.

[Violet]

I can also imagine me torturing babies, but trust me, I couldn't do that in the real life. Nor watch somebody else doing that.

I can.

ok, so by this logic, the number of suicidal persons should also grow, because that doesn't hurt you in any way at all?
Why would you care so much for a guy to marry his own sister rather than marry other girl, that is not part of his family?

Indeed. If someone wishes to commit suicide: I don't give half of my left ankle over it. Unless they are my friends... in which case it would hurt me. But I'd get over it soon enough.

I don't care if someone marries their sister or someone else. Not even a little. And I don't pretend to care either.

Start watching porn with animals. Then give your opinion on that.

Done and done. Most of the time it is faked as all porn tends to be, but sometimes there's good porn with it. Especially when we get into anime... do you really want to know how much pokemon porn and 'pet' porn (human and other animal) I have?

I don't know if you're joking or not, but the fact is that I can't give a reason why sex with a dead dog is wrong. I mean, I know that it does not 'happen in the nature', i.e. goats do not fuck dead dogs, etc. but we - humans - also do things that animals do not, and we do not do things that the animals do (e.g. if one is seen jumping on a goat and biting its neck and starting to eat from it while still alive and uncooked, he is regarded by everybody as "abnormal", not "normal", though such things do happen in the nature).

Humans are animals... your argument is entirely irrelevant.

And I don't consider him abnormal. I've seen plenty of male great cats do precisely that... and I daresay they prefer their meat alive than dead. So at least one person doesn't consider it abnormal... meaning not everyone considers it to be abnormal

And you don't have any reason why an 8 year old child should not have sex with a 50 years old man?

Nope. If it is consensual: I have absolutely no problem with this.

Yes. There are also sold foods that have bad effects on human beings. So selling them would be like selling poisonous food, which only takes much longer until you get illed.

I think you're more concerned with survival than you are living. Sure... you could keep yourself alive for a couple of decades by locking yourself in a padded cell and being fed through an IV whilst in induced comatose.

But that isn't living... which comes with some (perhaps large and always totally worth it) degree of risk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-06Y7oyXOKg

I don't know why, but I have that odd idea that children should do things of children (play with toys, use their imagination to draw, to play, etc.) rather than doing adult things.

What are 'adult things' and why shouldn't children do them? Playing with genitals creates enjoyment (the goal of toys), using one's imagination has innumerable applications outside of drawing, most of us play and have fun.

What's your point?

Yeah, but for instance, convincing a straight guy (male) to have sex with other guys (males) until he enjoys it, doesn't sound to be a good idea. Under the umbrella that "you'll start to like after some time" you can force somebody to do anything against his will.

Anyway, why do you think that isn't secure for me?

No such thing as a 'straight guy'.

Because you need to give expanding your horizons a shot. Sounds like you gave up on your very first impression. If I went with only my first impressions: I would never have read The Jungle.

That doesn't make them to be that because of their "nature". It's only preference. Or getting used to being so.

We are first what we are born... we are next what changes us as we age... we are finally something else.

One naturally does what they prefer to do. Why do you think sex is enjoyable for us?

Are you certain? If yes, what makes you so certain?

Can you turn black due to reason?

It appears you didn't read carefully what I said. I said that I would instead help children that don't have a future to have a future. In other words, I would ensure a future for the children that don't have one. That's because "having no future" is not an inherent thing (i.e. it's not in their nature to be so).

"And if I would be to chose between enriching a porn star and helping the poor children that are starving and have no future, I'd use that money to help those children have a future."

You infact did say that they don't have a future. I disagree. Their future is what they make of it. One can trudge along all their life lawfully... or they can't. I'm one of those who can't... but as just as all of us: I have a future.

Accusing people of having no future is one of the least intelligent things to do... especially when one is ignorant of their precise situation.

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at the age of 14-15 one starts to feel sexual attraction. So perhaps that was why it wasn't felt "bad" or "odd" or something.

Ever been 8?

[Epimethean]

I was a pretty solid pervert by 8.

[Violet]

Actually Sae, if there was no law by harshly punishing murder, things would have been much different. I myself have some people in mind that I'd kill at first sight if I didn't fear spending lots of years in a dirty jail (which also means, losing a lot of years of my life) while having my future stained with this (i.e. employers not employing me because they have the info about me).

And you have failed politics 101.

What keeps the system in place is not the facade of "oh we'll do exactly ____ to you if you do ___"... it is that if you make a move on someone: someone else will make a move on you.

She who fires first wins...

And is then shot dead by a third party that comes rolling in.

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The laws are some bases for the judges to play justice (or, with the interpretation of the law).

Oh sure... it's a base. An irrelevant and useless and often entirely arbitrary base that misses the point more often than it gets it. But I agree that it's a base.

I actually believe she is right. Only that there should be a lot of exceptions to that law.

Killing is what keeps anything that is both living and 'good' on this planet alive.

Or are you about to start some psychotic nonsense over not eating even plants?

Actually I guess the dead body belongs to his livings relatives. So raping the dead body harms the feelings of the family. And the only way sex with the dead body should be allowed is if all his relatives agree with it. But anyway, why would one struggle so much for a corpse, when there are a lot of living bodies around? Perhaps that's why nobody struggles to allow "sex with dead bodies" after all.

The dead body belongs to whoever can defend their claim. I sincerely doubt most families capable of defending their family member's corpses.

Why struggle? Just kill someone... and you can cut however many new holes as you want to satisfy your pleasures. Unless what you were looking for was more along the lines of a penis. In which case at least it will be somewhat 'warm' for a while after you kill them.

It's a lot of work to dig up corpses... humans put too much work into them I find. Put it with the rest of the animal waste unless you find something fascinating scientifically. And then stick whatever isn't back with the rest of the animal waste.

Yeah, but so it is running from responsibilities!

You trollin? That's one of the hardest things to do.

And I guess 'love' (the feeling of true devotion, respect, caring, etc.) between a guy and a girl, if it can exist, should not be thrown away as waste. And for some reason it appears to me that excessive sex has a detrimental effect against true "love" (i.e. the true feeling of love, with all the respect, caring, devotion, faithfulness, forgiveness, etc. it means), and therefore against a long-lasting, serious relationship. People who are living in excessive sex seem rather to be superficial (superficiality, by definition, does not allow the developing of very deep feelings) and to confound "love" with "attraction" - things which may not allow them to live a desired relationship.

'True devotion' screams NTS.

I notice that you denote it only between 'a guy and a girl'. Why not two girls? Why not 2 guys and a girl? Why not 2 guys? Why not a cat and an elderly woman? Why not a dog and her master? Why not otherwise gendered peoples? And amorphous people?

And bullshit is what I call on 'excessive sex' followed by sex being a detriment to a relationship where everyone within desires it.

Long-lasting serious relationships are usually not loving ones for the whole length of them or even at all.

This 'desired' relationship you speak of sounds only ridiculous to me. I certainly don't want it. What I want in a relationship is solely this: stability. If it does not have this... it is like any relationship with an Erratic Expansionist Klackon.

[Girlysprite]

Long-lasting serious relationships are usually not loving ones for the whole length of them or even at all.

I'd love some research on that. I think that is just a big load of BS.

Then again, from what I gather from your posts you mostly case about only yourself anyways, what you like and what you think is fun - even at the cost of others.

[Violet]

Long-lasting serious relationships are usually not loving ones for the whole length of them or even at all.

I'd love some research on that. I think that is just a big load of BS.

Mother and father: staying together because they don't have anywhere else to go and essentially need each other by now.
Sister and her husband (finally divorced semi-recently): stayed together for their children.
Friends of my father married for many years: stay together for monetary reasons and do not live together anymore.
Grandparents, both sets: hated each other. One set of them had fights so 'entertaining' that my elder siblings used to bring their friends over there just to watch. Knives may have been thrown.
Parents of a sister's best friend: Staying together due to both religion and children.
Brother and his wife: He complains so much about her. And my bet is that they fall apart inside of 2 years.
Parents of a former friend: stay together due firstly to the children and secondly to the fact that they are both broke and have nowhere else to go.
etc.

I'm not even going into unmarried monogamy... because the examples I have of this being negative after a time are ridiculously numbered.

Only marriage I know that has remained happy for an extended time is my eldest brother and a woman 10-15 years older than him. And the rest of our family in general dislikes his wife. And I only say that they remain happy because I don't know any better... there's probably ridiculous levels of drama in that relationship too.

Then again, from what I gather from your posts you mostly case about only yourself anyways, what you like and what you think is fun - even at the cost of others.

Having fun necessarily comes at the cost of all who work hard in this world just to survive. But that's an indirect cost. I don't commonly directly cost others when I am having fun.

[Napoléon]

Start watching porn with animals. Then give your opinion on that.

Hahahahahah, you've watched porn with animals? That's gross! EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!