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However there have been indicative experiences that are verifiable of information being attained during the cessation of brain activity, indicating logically to me that the brain could not be the originating source for all information. I attribute that unknown to the supra natural or metaphysical, as there are no other physical structures known that could accomplish that. I also feel intuitively that there is more than the physical, and while unreliable, compiled with everything else is indicative. I also have had experiences that could not be explained physically (the autonomic responses could, but not the predicate).
@Faith no More- sure I will right after I sleep I've been up all night. It's elsewhere on the forums, not too long ago, but I'll post it again.
@Ace- nuh uh ... your mom all you strict physicalists are such stick in the muds
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
Okay so I actually skimmed the link a bit and the only basis the guy has for anything is, "God told me it's true." Never trust a person who claims to speak to God as that is the highest form of delusion a human being can have.
I was a bit curious as to what his definition of the soul was and here's the quote-
Quote:What is the Soul?
One secret to understanding God’s Universe is to understand the human soul The soul is NOT your physical body, nor your spiritual body (although many think differently)
The soul is the living, feeling, emotional, desiring, intentional, passionate heart of your true self The soul has sensory apparatus, passion, desire, emotion, feelings, aspirations, intentions, free will,
memory, personality, instinct, natural love, energy, appendages of the spirit body & physical body
Think of the soul as a container; an entity; full of experiences
Notice how he says the soul is not your physical body and then goes on to give it attributes we know require the physical body and are determined by brain structure and function. Please do not waste our time with any more incoherent, babbling drivel.
(June 8, 2011 at 9:16 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote:
(June 8, 2011 at 7:30 pm)Andrastos Wrote: Your soul needs a spirit body & physical body to experiance life!
spirit body & physical body are appendages of the Soul, like your arm is an appendage of your body!
just need to clear that up!
Complete rubbish. The soul is an ancient interpretation of what we now know is completely physical. The idea that the physical body is an appendage of the soul is just...well, silly.
1) A lot of people feel that the soul isn't just an abstract concept, Christians aren't alone in this. What excatly is known as completely physical?
2) Support your materialist view of the mind-brain concept if you can with definition and support please.
It is difficult to conceptualize if one has not yet experienced the spirit world! As the earth plane we are on it is very limited!
As a spirit our sensory apparatuses actually increase, Sight, Smell, Touch (hot, cold) Textures, Emotions, Hearing plus more that I feel unqualified to comment! Most spirits say they actually feel more real than on earth! In every sense, literally!
Yet the soul is still apart from spirit but connected! The soul has substance; it is an object, physical although still unseen by spirit, untouchable, infinite and immortal! It encompasses your body! It is the real you, it is located in the 22th dimension! Emotions from the soul have substance too, that’s why we can feel them, some pleasure some pain, that’s why if you get embarrassed you may feel hot or Shake in fear! You experience emotions from the soul through the chakra points in the body. A lot is known on earth about the chakras because in spirit you can see them, mataphisics! In spirit all emotion can be seen! Anger hate and fear grief are dark and greyish like substance, that’s what makes us sick, disease, cancer heart attacks ect Love compassion ect are bright colours, more love more colour and brighter! The soul in the greatest of all creations in the universe! The potential power of the soul is unimaginable; power depends only on the amount of love with in it!
You could look at the earth plane as we are in preschool; our Soul is still baby in a sense! And so it is very basic in comparison to the spirit world!
Your intended life, really just begins when you progress to the 22nd sphere. You are soul only; we no longer need a spirit body to experience Life! Soul re-joins with the other half of itself! Graduation PHD in Love
Hope that can help you understand
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(June 9, 2011 at 9:02 am)tackattack Wrote: @Ace- nuh uh ... your mom all you strict physicalists are such stick in the muds
Ya huh....you silly person you.
We're not stick in the muds, we are just more in-tune with reality.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
(June 9, 2011 at 9:02 am)tackattack Wrote: However there have been indicative experiences that are verifiable of information being attained during the cessation of brain activity, indicating logically to me that the brain could not be the originating source for all information.
Can you give the source of this ‘indicative experience’, please.
tackattack Wrote:I attribute that unknown to the supra natural or metaphysical, as there are no other physical structures known that could accomplish that.
Why make that attribution? Because you can? That's no way to do your thinking!
And even if I grant you your ‘indicative experience’, you still end up with “I don’t know therefore goddidit”
tackattack Wrote:I also feel intuitively that there is more than the physical, and while unreliable, compiled with everything else is indicative. I also have had experiences that could not be explained physically (the autonomic responses could, but not the predicate).
Of course you 'feel this intuitively', you believe in sky-fairies. What's intuition got to do with the price of eggs?
Can’t you guys ever come up with a valid piece of logic. :yawn:
There is one piece of evidence which gives all of theist fucklogic a ‘sort of’ loop hole. It’s there, if you know where to look. Care to be led there?
(June 9, 2011 at 7:04 am)tackattack Wrote: Each soul would be as distinct as a fingerprint. I also believe that they all start off as a generic, one size fits all soul (as Biblically defined as the breath of life or the breath of God).
(June 9, 2011 at 6:50 am)colubridae Wrote: Can you please explain at what point the soul enters the body?
Is it at the time of gamete fusion?
At the start of fusion, when the sperm pierces the egg?
Or at the beginning of chromosome joining
Or after the two sets of chromosomes have connected?
Do the unfused gametes possess half souls?
What about monozygotic twins? Does one soul split into two?
What about cloning? When (eventually) this is performed will the cloned individual possess a soul?
Also what type of soul does an individual receive at the time, or are they all identical?
If each soul is different when assigned/attached to the body, how is the allocation made?
Or is the soul business all bollocks?
It is always within 10 days of conception, sometimes one day after conception!
Fusion of an ovum with a sperm!
This process is call "individualization"
Aborted or miscarriage Soul have already individualized!
Abortion carries the same compensation laws (karma) as murder!
The Soul ALWAYS splits into 2! It's mathematically impossible not to!
Cloning? To have a Soul one must go through to natural process of conception! A Soulless being would not have to unique attributes that we all have as humans! I would think it would be like an animal, if it were done! The reason we are unique to all other animals is because of the Soul!
ALL Soul are unique! There are no 2 Souls the same! Or Soul halves!
They are not allocated; a specific personality of a Soul is attracted by the emotional (Soul) condition of both parents! In other words the parents choose the Soul! The Soul before in has individualized it is not conscious of self and so is not conscious of its free will! It is impossible to make choices in this state!
Each Soul half has unique attributes, the Soul half that is more "riskier" incarnates first, the other half will incarnate within 0-20 years of its mate, following the other half and waiting for an opportunity to also incarnate! As close a possible to the other! Parents permitting!
June 10, 2011 at 1:26 am (This post was last modified: June 10, 2011 at 2:13 am by Andrastos.)
(June 9, 2011 at 9:02 am)tackattack Wrote: How do you know? I don't know for sure.
However there have been indicative experiences that are verifiable of information being attained during the cessation of brain activity, indicating logically to me that the brain could not be the originating source for all information. I attribute that unknown to the supra natural or metaphysical, as there are no other physical structures known that could accomplish that. I also feel intuitively that there is more than the physical, and while unreliable, compiled with everything else is indicative. I also have had experiences that could not be explained physically (the autonomic responses could, but not the predicate).
@Faith no More- sure I will right after I sleep I've been up all night. It's elsewhere on the forums, not too long ago, but I'll post it again.
@Ace- nuh uh ... your mom all you strict physicalists are such stick in the muds
Intuition is usually is from your spirit guides or one can just sense things without "logic"! This is the Soul awareness! There is always a logical explanation though!
Girls are generally more emotional and so they are more intuitive, this is Soul awareness!
Men shut down there emotions (soul) generally and so they are more intellectual, less intuitive!
The biggest mistake humans make is we are taught and so teach to shut down the emotions of a child!
Souls before incarnation are perfect, no Soul damage.
As soon as they incarnate they absorb the emotional injuries of both parents! All humans on earth ATM have a lot of emotion injuries! Hate, anger, fear, resentment, grief!
All babies and children are perfectly designed to experience emotions! (Good or Bad) BUT they taught to shut the "bad" ones down! The ONLY way to heal the Soul of oneself is to experience the emotion! Emotions are in the Soul until they are experienced! In a physical sense! Shutting down the soul is what causes health problems in our physical body! Continuous shut down on the emotions will result in emotional turmoil in oneself! That’s why “mid-life crisis" Accor so commonly! Like a high pressure cooker with no valve! They are forced to deal with the emotions inside. Our universe is self-correcting!
All our thoughts and actions are based on our Soul condition!
I can only suggest trust your intuition!
All metaphysical information on earth comes from spirits, but little is known about the Soul from Gods prospective on thing so there is still a lot of misconceptions "error" in the teachings!
Little is known about spirits, but they are around us 24/7, there are more earth bound spirits then there are people on earth!
The more one shuts down emotions the less one is able to hear, see, feel or sense them!
A lot of children have "imaginary friends"!
For me how do I know! The information to suggest all this is so overwhelming it is just obvious! It's like saying I can't see the wind but I know it’s there!
Also I've been on the Divine Love path for over a year, this path is the fastest possible way to heal the soul, rapid unmistakable changes in all areas. Awareness, consciousness, emotional stability, mental stability, health, intuitions! Actually it’s the Soul condition that dictates EVERYTHING so EVERTHING changes!
EG If one has a lot of emotions concerning money or lack of abundance, release this feeling, usually grief! And one will no longer need to worry, the Soul will take care of everything automatically.
I haven’t "worked" for about 4 months, I just do what I want to do every day! Collecting rare or any seeds that are none GM is my main passion! All my other "needs" seem to just come, but still one needs to act! Ones passions will lead them the way without worry!
it is possible to heal a Soul completely within a year, but because of all the restrictions and judgements from others and oneself it is hard to do!
(June 9, 2011 at 2:02 am)Andrastos Wrote:
(June 8, 2011 at 1:54 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(June 8, 2011 at 1:49 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Another religious nutcase. Where do they keep coming from?
It's been like this since they added internet service at the asylums.
LOL
Seriously no matter how many time I read that, it really is funny!
(June 10, 2011 at 1:26 am)Andrastos Wrote: For me how do I know! The information to suggest all this is so overwhelming it is just obvious! It's like saying I can't see the wind but I know it’s there!
If I didn't believe you about the existence of the wind you could demonstrate it's existence using the motion of a flag or a weathervane.
How can you demonstrate the existence of a soul?
Galileo was a man of science oppressed by the irrational and superstitious. Today, he is used by the irrational and superstitious who claim they are being oppressed by science - Mark Crislip
I'm not having this discussion in 2 threads... ya'll have fun with Andrastos
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
your mom 
all you strict physicalists are such stick in the muds 
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Because you can? That's no way to do your thinking! 
What's intuition got to do with the price of eggs? 
