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RE: Christian worldview explains logic?
July 7, 2011 at 2:42 pm
(July 7, 2011 at 2:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: How's the search for the squared circle coming along? And you're right, I should have been more careful in my wording. Lets people play games with the words, believe you know a little bit about my frustration there..Judas.
One can't have a squared circle if they accept logic into their hearts 
I've seen it myself, since I don't hold onto your fairytale faith in logic. A true skeptic. That's what I am.
And why not let people play word games? Such is fun ^_^
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RE: Christian worldview explains logic?
July 7, 2011 at 2:49 pm
(July 7, 2011 at 2:42 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: And why not let people play word games? Such is fun ^_^
A certain debate between yourself and Ryft clearly illustrates the evils of "word games".
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RE: Christian worldview explains logic?
July 7, 2011 at 3:05 pm
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(July 7, 2011 at 2:33 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: (July 7, 2011 at 2:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: sigh, negative. One can attempt to invalidate logic. It doesn't require faith. Logic isn't a thing..it is a set of observations. There is no "Logic" floating around forcing things to conform to itself.
Logic is a thing. It is three rules.
If that is the case do u accept logic as truth? If so, why?
A = A. (Identity)
A ≠ not A. (Contradiction)
A must be either A or not A. (Excluded Middle)
And this is either taken on faith to be true (and hence mathematics are also true)... or it is taken to be not true (and hence scientists are smoking the crack-rock, or flarp)
And there is this thing called tautology (identity). Cheese is cheese by tautology. It cannot be not cheese. It cannot be a third option.
And logic has only itself to support itself 
sorry i just realized all I did was quite you saerules. But your post confused the hell out of me. are you saying we take logic by faith? I thought we depend on logic because it works. I mean, that when we apply logic to situations in order to figure them out, they come out true. Sorry , this is over my head but as I said your post confused me.
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RE: Christian worldview explains logic?
July 7, 2011 at 4:01 pm
(July 7, 2011 at 2:19 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: @OP: Not to hurt your head... but logic is itself a circular system. Why is logic true? because it is logical. Why is that so? Because it is.
One either accepts logic as a basis, or they don't. And if they do it is entirely on faith
I don't use logic because it's true. I don't know that is it. I only know it creates results that I like. The use of logic is a personal preference.
Those who decide they like how things are in the Muslim world or how things were in the Christian world during the Dark Ages are welcome to try the alternative, just so long as I don't have to live in their world.
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RE: Christian worldview explains logic?
July 7, 2011 at 5:14 pm
DeistPaladin Wrote:The use of logic is a personal preference.
Granted, DP. 
Rhythm Wrote:A certain debate between yourself and Ryft clearly illustrates the evils of "word games".
Not sure that counts as a debate. It's entirely onesided 
Searchingforanswers Wrote:sorry i just realized all I did was quite you saerules. But your post confused the hell out of me. are you saying we take logic by faith? I thought we depend on logic because it works. I mean, that when we apply logic to situations in order to figure them out, they come out true. Sorry , this is over my head but as I said your post confused me.
*Most people take logic on faith as being the reality of the cosmos.
*We do depend on logic for every mathematical and scientific purpose.
*Truth is a joke.
Is it so confusing that faith isn't wretched and evil and deserving of being burned?
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RE: Christian worldview explains logic?
July 7, 2011 at 5:20 pm
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It isn't the faith Sae, it's the Faithful.
And don't worry bud, it's Sae's intention to confuse.
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RE: Christian worldview explains logic?
July 7, 2011 at 8:56 pm
(July 7, 2011 at 5:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It isn't the faith Sae, it's the Faithful.
Rather, you mean it is the religious faithful that are so only by indoctrination placed upon them from an early age.
Rayaan, Ryft, Tacky, Fr0d0... those people aren't problems at all
Quote:And don't worry bud, it's Sae's intention to confuse.
It would seem you have misidentified my intention. My intention is to have fun.
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