The Christian God is NOT simple.

[Autumnlicious]

Umm, definitions != choice.

[Napoléon]

Umm, definitions != choice.

Say whaat?

[Mad Militant]

In order to be simple you have to exist and I have yet to see any one prove it.

[Napoléon]

In order to be simple you have to exist and I have yet to see any one prove it.

Kinda besides the point.

[Mad Militant]

Yeah maybe but I could not resist............

[theVOID]

In order to be simple you have to exist and I have yet to see any one prove it.

Sure, nobody has proved he exists, but that doesn't mean 'nothing' isn't simple

[Judas BentHer]

I think attempting to relate algorithm etc... to the god of the Christians sounds not only like someone's attempt to promote Intelligent Design in a new fabrication, but is also giving far too much credit and complexity to that what is quite simply an oxymoron and unintelligent fiction.

[Godscreated]

So the subject IS Divine Simplicity? Wow. Nice of you to admit that finally VOID. And suddenly that's what you've been talking about all along. How odd.

Well geeze fr0d0, What the fuck else did you think a thread called "The Christian God is NOT simple" with an argument that the notion of a plan contradicts the notion of simplicity would be about? And I gota say, if you think that was the first time I had explicitly said I was addressing the notion of divine simplicity you might want to go back and read my posts.

the VOID, I've been reading the post and I believe you may be looking at DDS in a way it's not meant, well that is just my opinion, this is how I see DDS. First off God is not simple or simplistic, that is as far as Him being not complex. God is very complex, if He were not then how could He have created the universe, that is if you are going to assume God exist for this arguement. God not being of physical matter is no reason to think He is simplistic, the Bible says He is spirit, but what makes God who He is could be considered simplicity. God = omniscients=omnipotent= omnipresent, I believe that we could put many omnis in there, therefore with God being equal to each of the omnis then each omni is equal to the other two, this could be seen and is seen as divine simplicty. God could not be any one of the omnis and not be all of them, that would be impossible. To be omnipotent one must be omnipresent, to be omnipresent one would have to be omniscient, to be omniscient one would have to be omnipotent and ect. So God being divinely simplistic means it's easy to see God for who and what He is. Now I agree that God's plan is complex and mostly outside our understanding because He is very complex in a way that we can not understand nor should we be able to since He is God. I guess what I'm trying to say is that God being very complex has made himself known to us in away that we would call it divine simplicity. I'm sure that what I've said is about as clear as mud, as you know I do have problems at times getting a point across through writing, so if this needs to be cleared up let me know and I'll try to make it clearer.

[theVOID]

So the subject IS Divine Simplicity? Wow. Nice of you to admit that finally VOID. And suddenly that's what you've been talking about all along. How odd.

Well geeze fr0d0, What the fuck else did you think a thread called "The Christian God is NOT simple" with an argument that the notion of a plan contradicts the notion of simplicity would be about? And I gota say, if you think that was the first time I had explicitly said I was addressing the notion of divine simplicity you might want to go back and read my posts.

the VOID, I've been reading the post and I believe you may be looking at DDS in a way it's not meant, well that is just my opinion, this is how I see DDS. First off God is not simple or simplistic, that is as far as Him being not complex. God is very complex, if He were not then how could He have created the universe, that is if you are going to assume God exist for this arguement. God not being of physical matter is no reason to think He is simplistic, the Bible says He is spirit, but what makes God who He is could be considered simplicity. God = omniscients=omnipotent= omnipresent, I believe that we could put many omnis in there, therefore with God being equal to each of the omnis then each omni is equal to the other two, this could be seen and is seen as divine simplicty. God could not be any one of the omnis and not be all of them, that would be impossible. To be omnipotent one must be omnipresent, to be omnipresent one would have to be omniscient, to be omniscient one would have to be omnipotent and ect. So God being divinely simplistic means it's easy to see God for who and what He is. Now I agree that God's plan is complex and mostly outside our understanding because He is very complex in a way that we can not understand nor should we be able to since He is God. I guess what I'm trying to say is that God being very complex has made himself known to us in away that we would call it divine simplicity. I'm sure that what I've said is about as clear as mud, as you know I do have problems at times getting a point across through writing, so if this needs to be cleared up let me know and I'll try to make it clearer.

THANKYOU Godschild! That is exactly what I pointed out to fr0d0 several posts ago where I said "It seems to me that while the word 'simplicity' is in common, the meaning of the word is not", It seems you and I agree for once, Divine simplicity might make God a singular being in essence rather than a composite of parts but he is complex in the information represented in his being.

Take notice fr0d0, you blundering Idiot, he managed to directly address the main point about information in one post, you managed to avoid it in over half a dozen posts.

[Trog31]

God is often described as being simple, this is an extremely important claim for any theists as the more complex an explanation is the lower the prior probability of this thing existing. Seeing as it is already extremely difficult to present any evidence for the existence of God outside of the experience of certain sensations (which is poor quality evidence given the number of contradictory claims based on the same standard) if we could show that the prior probability of this being was much lower than that of possible alternative causes for the universe we would be forced to conclude that the other explanations are much more likely to be true.

New here so apologies if I am breaching protocol by not responding to the last post.

I liked that you are attempting to defeat the "God is Simple" position taken by Theists.
However I would take a different approach. Rather than trying to prove complexity using the concept of "plan"
I would agree with Theists and say "God is SO simple he need not exist"

I'll try to be coherent...
God's "Plan" cannot change.
If it DID change, that would imply imperfection (God can't make mistakes)
A plan that does not change is a map
A map requires no intelligence, no consciousness and no will
The complexity of the map is conferred by the being PERCEIVING/INTERPRETING the map, not the map itself
God is therefore no more complex than what a being perceives Him to be
God takes on the qualities of the observer and has none of his own
(each observer would perceive a different "god")
God therefore exists only in the minds of those perceiving him and is as simple
or complex as the imagination of the perceiver.
God is a figment of imagination

Does that make sense?

Cheers!

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Appreciated! I did a wholesale clip and neglected the close...