The Christian God is NOT simple.

[Mad Militant]

In order to be simple you have to exist and I have yet to see any one prove it.

Sure, nobody has proved he exists, but that doesn't mean 'nothing' isn't simple

Rocket science isn't simple either but they have a means to testing it. What do you use to test an unseen deity? A 1600 year old holy book whose authors are questionable at best. Or do you wait until your on your death bed as Constantine did to accept this sight unseen deity and die any way? The God issue is a moot point on both sides of the aisle. In order to prove God you have to have a starting point to test the theory and I would not call the Bible an authorative starting point simply because it plays right into the hands of bias.

[theVOID]

In order to be simple you have to exist and I have yet to see any one prove it.

Sure, nobody has proved he exists, but that doesn't mean 'nothing' isn't simple

Rocket science isn't simple either but they have a means to testing it. What do you use to test an unseen deity? A 1600 year old holy book whose authors are questionable at best. Or do you wait until your on your death bed as Constantine did to accept this sight unseen deity and die any way? The God issue is a moot point on both sides of the aisle. In order to prove God you have to have a starting point to test the theory and I would not call the Bible an authorative starting point simply because it plays right into the hands of bias.

You clearly missed my point, If God doesn't exist he's 'nothing' and nothing is very simple

[Mad Militant]

In order to be simple you have to exist and I have yet to see any one prove it.

Sure, nobody has proved he exists, but that doesn't mean 'nothing' isn't simple

Rocket science isn't simple either but they have a means to testing it. What do you use to test an unseen deity? A 1600 year old holy book whose authors are questionable at best. Or do you wait until your on your death bed as Constantine did to accept this sight unseen deity and die any way? The God issue is a moot point on both sides of the aisle. In order to prove God you have to have a starting point to test the theory and I would not call the Bible an authorative starting point simply because it plays right into the hands of bias.

You clearly missed my point, If God doesn't exist he's 'nothing' and nothing is very simple

Yeah I did. Got it thanks.

[Godscreated]

God is often described as being simple, this is an extremely important claim for any theists as the more complex an explanation is the lower the prior probability of this thing existing. Seeing as it is already extremely difficult to present any evidence for the existence of God outside of the experience of certain sensations (which is poor quality evidence given the number of contradictory claims based on the same standard) if we could show that the prior probability of this being was much lower than that of possible alternative causes for the universe we would be forced to conclude that the other explanations are much more likely to be true.

New here so apologies if I am breaching protocol by not responding to the last post.

I liked that you are attempting to defeat the "God is Simple" position taken by Theists.
However I would take a different approach. Rather than trying to prove complexity using the concept of "plan"
I would agree with Theists and say "God is SO simple he need not exist"

I'll try to be coherent...
God's "Plan" cannot change.
If it DID change, that would imply imperfection (God can't make mistakes)
A plan that does not change is a map
A map requires no intelligence, no consciousness and no will
The complexity of the map is conferred by the being PERCEIVING/INTERPRETING the map, not the map itself
God is therefore no more complex than what a being perceives Him to be
God takes on the qualities of the observer and has none of his own
(each observer would perceive a different "god")
God therefore exists only in the minds of those perceiving him and is as simple
or complex as the imagination of the perceiver.
God is a figment of imagination

Does that make sense?

Cheers!

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Appreciated! I did a wholesale clip and neglected the close...

You are correct in saying God does not change and that His plan does not change, you miss the point though, God is perfect and thus His plan is perfect so there is no need of change. As for your map analogy you again have missed the mark, true a map is a guide but it takes some intellegence to understand the map, one also must be conscious of how a map works and have the will to us it. The complexity of the map has nothiing to do with how it is preceived, a complex map is a complex map and it is complex because it's designer made it that way, if the designer gives enough instruction to go with said map then the complexity becomes manageable for all that have the will to accept it and learn, thus having less problems following the map to one's finial destination. God therefore is more complex than the one desiring to follow His plan and he will take on the attributes of God so he can successfully follow the plan, therefore the relationship he has with God can be as simple or as complex as he desires. God is far beyond our understanding, if He wasn't then He would not be God, therefore God has revealed himself in a manner that everyone can relate to if they choose to do so, this revelation of God to man is called "divine simplicity."

[Mad Militant]

You are correct in saying God does not change and that His plan does not change, you miss the point though, God is perfect and thus His plan is perfect so there is no need of change.

God therefore is more complex than the one desiring to follow His plan and he will take on the attributes of God so he can successfully follow the plan, therefore the relationship he has with God can be as simple or as complex as he desires.

God is far beyond our understanding, if He wasn't then He would not be God, therefore God has revealed himself in a manner that everyone can relate to if they choose to do so, this revelation of God to man is called "divine simplicity."

And you can prove all this how?

[Napoléon]

Sort your quoting out cretin!

[Mad Militant]

Sort your quoting out cretin!

Ha, name calling.....think I will do it some more.

[Napoléon]

Ha, name calling.....think I will do it some more.

Lol seriously dude, no one wants to see a huge wall of text like that

[Anomalocaris]

Fro0d0's god is "simple" in the same way as "right" might seem simple to a 3 year old who believes "Daddy is always right, wholly right, nothing but right".

GC's god is "complex" in the same way as "right" might have an unfathomable large number of facets to 5 year old who believes "Daddy is absolutely uniquely awesome right in each of every way there is, of which there are zillions and zillians and zillions".

Both concepts are so simple one wonders why we had to be given a second neuron in our brains. But of course it is precisely and uniquely right that we are given the precise number of neurons we have so that god might (needlessly but still necessarily) be praised.

[Judas BentHer]

God is far beyond our understanding, if He wasn't then He would not be God, therefore God has revealed himself in a manner that everyone can relate to if they choose to do so, this revelation of God to man is called "divine simplicity."

I know my Captain Crunch is probably clogging my brain cells at this point however, there is as I recall a word that describes the contradiction against all logic, as it appears in the excerpt above.

If god is beyond our understanding, then no thing written by lesser damned by his will being could ever comprehend a god's revelations. Thus there is no choosing to relate to that which is beyond our limited mortal intellect. Divine Simplicity; god dumbing itself down so as to relate to the people he created damned from birth and then elects to save from himself, if only they believe that hand out is evidence of his love. Which is impossible because he's beyond our understanding.

More proof not only is god made in the image and likeness of people, but those people were of limited imagination. That's why it's easy to make something so absurd, so contradictory, so malevolent and call it holy and then when that's all questioned to posit the excuse for no answer for it as, "god is simply beyond our understanding". (Or, "It's a mystery." Or, "God works in mysterious ways!" Not so mysterious if one cares to look up the definition of "Sadist". )