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The Argument From Design
August 2, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Hey gang, a few weeks back I cracked my tailbone. It hurt, a lot. If anyone has ever damaged their tailbone, hopefully you will relate to this and sympathise. When I went to the doctor to get some advice (and more importantly, painkillers) he said that there wasn't much that could be done, and explained that the tailbone serves no function and is a remnant from one of our ancestors that had a tail. This got me thinking about the creationist/ID crew and how 'everything seems to be designed'.
Well I thought, since the people that make the argument from design are usually fairly simple, instead of quoting scientific mumbo-jumbo at them that they have no hope of understanding, why don't we all rattle off a list of some things that actually make it seem impossible that we were designed? I'll kick us off:
1. Tailbone - serves no purpose
2. Appendix - serves no purpose
3. Gall bladder - can easily live without it
4. Kidneys - can survive with one (admittedly, not ideal)
5. Reproduction - if we are designed, why do only a minority of fertilised eggs come to full term?
Over to you, pals. And don't feel restricted by the human body. Just thought it would be a good place to start, since I am one. Go nuts with whatever takes your fancy.
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RE: The Argument From Design
August 2, 2011 at 1:09 pm
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Can't...do it.....their argument is too ignorant......:collapses:
No, seriously here's a big one. For me. If we were designed to be what we are, and the world was designed to accommodate us. Then why has it taken ten thousand years for us to get to a point where we, as human beings, have re-engineered food crops enough that we can even begin to look at dealing with a problem like "world hunger", or even, on a more local level, the number of people who are starving in say a 1 mile radius of you?
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RE: The Argument From Design
August 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm
And somewhat related, why are there areas of the planet (ie Antarctica) that are uninhabitable to humans?
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RE: The Argument From Design
August 2, 2011 at 1:33 pm
There are so many beautiful things in nature. I can't help but to think that there is a designer for them.
Like this leaf insect:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5284/5290...f4f336.jpg
Or the Indonesian mimic octopus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8oQBYw6xxc
... and millions of other animals who each have their own unique adaptions, hunting abilities, food, a place to live, etc. It's like someone made it like this!
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RE: The Argument From Design
August 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Yeah might look like that to a puny ape mind Rayaan but it's just that you can't comprehend any other alternatives than to say "god did it".
My personal favourite (stolen from Doubting Thomas) is that if god really designed us, then why the fuck do I have to wipe my own ass after I've taken a dump.
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RE: The Argument From Design
August 2, 2011 at 1:46 pm
(August 2, 2011 at 1:33 pm)Rayaan Wrote: There are so many beautiful things in nature. I can't help but to think that there is a designer for them.
Then you are one sorry shallow minded fellow incapable of emerging from underneath instinct and wishthinking dominated world view.
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RE: The Argument From Design
August 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm
If 'god' is such a great "designer" then why is the moon
![[Image: moon.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.lpi.usra.edu%2Fresources%2Flunar_orbiter%2Fimages%2Fmoon.jpg)
pockmarked with impact craters? Doesn't 'god' understand how to set up an orbit so things don't crash into each other?
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RE: The Argument From Design
August 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm
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(August 2, 2011 at 1:46 pm)Chuck Wrote: Then you are one sorry shallow minded fellow incapable of emerging from underneath instinct and wishthinking dominated world view.
Maybe I am. :S
But, I find it less likely that all of this would come about simply as a product of mindless forces acting in the universe. Things evolve but what really guides them?
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RE: The Argument From Design
August 2, 2011 at 1:56 pm
(August 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Maybe I am. :S
But, I find it less likely that all of this would come about simply as a product of mindless forces acting in the universe. Things evolve but what really guides them?
You'll never understand that things aren't "guided" Rayaan until you lose your all-powerful sky-daddy. Nature does not need him....and I can't fucking stand him.
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RE: The Argument From Design
August 2, 2011 at 2:00 pm
(August 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm)Rayaan Wrote: But, I find it less likely that all of this would come about simply as a product of mindless forces acting in the universe. Things evolve but what really guides them?
Why? It's already fucking demonstrated that this happens, yet bumfucks like you completely ignore it and then make profoundly ignorant statements that it's somehow more likely that some divine force guiding everything.
The only force which guides the universe in that respect is gravity, and we can demonstrate why that is the case.
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