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RE: The Right of Revolution
August 20, 2011 at 2:10 am
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@Rythm
Are you asserting there are such things as 'innate rights'? If so,could you explain them to me? By that I mean, what is the source of these rights? How are they decided and enforced?
The American Revolution of 1776 was 'right' only' because the colonists won. Had the Brits won (and at times it was close) Jefferson Davis,John Adams,Washington, Franklin, and many, many others would have been sent to London tried,and hanged.
You and I enjoy and cherish many rights as citizens in relatively free countries. Those rights have been established by custom and law,including our constitutions.They are maintained by custom and the rule of law. They are neither innate nor guaranteed. Both your and my country have abrogated parts of our constitutions when expedient and neither has the slightest difficulty ignoring international law or conventions when it suits..
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RE: The Right of Revolution
August 20, 2011 at 2:19 am
(August 20, 2011 at 2:10 am)padraic Wrote: @Rythm
Are you asserting there are such things as 'innate rights'? If so,could you explain them to me? By that I mean, what is the source of these rights? How are they decided and enforced?
The American Revolution of 1776 was 'right' only' because the colonists won. Had the Brits won (and at times it was close) Jefferson Davis,John Adams,Washington, Franklin, and many, many others would have been sent to London tried,and hanged.
All very true. Being named a patriot vs. a traitor is a reward found only in victory. Who would know this truth better than Benedict Arnold? "Ooops, picked the wrong team."
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RE: The Right of Revolution
August 20, 2011 at 2:21 am
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To me, it's not an innate right, so much as a right that I would wish for myself, and would grant to others. If someone says to me, you have no such right. I'd agree to disagree.
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RE: The Right of Revolution
August 20, 2011 at 2:48 am
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RE: The Right of Revolution
August 20, 2011 at 3:13 am
As usual - I find nothing wrong with your historical accuracy. The alleged homosexual acts of Von Steuben is new to me though. I had never read that before. Interesting.
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RE: The Right of Revolution
August 20, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Quote:I had never read that before
Doesn't mean that it is true, of course. May well have simply been slander by a political or personal enemy. In any case, given the influence that religious fuckwits still maintained it would have been a good idea for Von Stueben to hit the road.
In either case, he ended up in Valley Forge and gave the fledgling American army a well needed shot of professionalism.
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RE: The Right of Revolution
August 20, 2011 at 8:27 pm
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Quote:Doesn't mean that it is true, of course. May well have simply been slander by a political or personal enemy.
Indeed,political invective at that time would make tea partier green with envy.
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RE: The Right of Revolution
August 21, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Quote:From the perspective of the American Revolution, however, the high point of French support is the landing of five battalions of French infantry and artillery in Rhode Island in 1780. In 1781, these French troops under the command of Count Rochambeau marched south to Virginia where they joined Continental forces under Washington and Lafayette. Cornwallis, encamped on the Yorktown peninsula, hoped to be rescued by the British navy. A French fleet under the command of Admiral DeGrasse intercepted and, after a fierce battle lasting several days, defeated the British fleet and forced it to withdraw. This left the French navy to land heavy siege cannon and other supplies and trapped Cornwallis on the Yorktown peninsula.
At that point, the defeat of Cornwallis was essentially a matter of time. On September 14, 1781, the French and Continental armies completed their 700 mile march and soon thereafter laid siege to the British positions. After a number of weeks and several brief but intense engagements, Cornwallis, besieged on the peninsula by the large and well-equipped French-American army, and stricken by dysentery, determined to surrender his army. On October 19, 1781, the British forces marched out between the silent ranks of the Americans and French, arrayed in parallel lines a mile long, and cast down their arms.
Bottom line. Without french intervention we would've won.
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RE: The Right of Revolution
August 21, 2011 at 3:14 pm
If Comte de Grasse had not won the Battle of the Chesapeake then Admiral Graves would have evacuated Cornwallis' army from Yorktown. While still a significant reverse for the British it would not have been the outright disaster which caused Lord North to realize the war was lost.
The British made so many mistakes by trying to whip up the Indians in the north and servile insurrection in the south they pissed off a large portion of the 'silent majority' and drove them into the rebel camp.
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