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RE: Scientific proof for a theist.
August 23, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Oh, muslims....buy yourself a steel gorget.
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RE: Scientific proof for a theist.
August 23, 2011 at 7:00 pm
(August 23, 2011 at 6:49 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Seen any Symphony of Science vids? I loves'em.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOLAGYmUQV0
Good eye opener. 
Thanks thats awesome.
Like I said any guys willing to give a nice clear cut explanation to this question, as obviously I don't know the science as well as you guys:
"how did the first cells on earth evolve into different species,all cells would be identical so its impossible for any kind of variation to occur".
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RE: Scientific proof for a theist.
August 23, 2011 at 7:01 pm
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The first part is a valid question, the second part is ridiculous. Just say "I don't know, and neither do you." As far as how does evolution happen, small mistakes are made in copying code. Nothing more complicated really need be leveraged.
You could always make an appeal to vanity "If you're so certain, and the facts are so clear, surely you could clear up all the misconceptions these guys have in a matter of moments". Conversely, you could ask your friend for chapter and verse where these things are explained in the koran. That evolution has happened is observable fact, the only theory bit is how. At the end of the day your friend has absolutely no idea what evolution IS. So it should make for great comedy if nothing else.
You have to be a special breed of idiot to argue for literal creation these days, and a refined breed of special idiot to argue for ID.
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RE: Scientific proof for a theist.
August 23, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Indeed, we don't know everything. Anyone can answer a question but not everyone can answer it correctly. "I don't know" is a top answer in many cases.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Scientific proof for a theist.
August 23, 2011 at 7:11 pm
(August 23, 2011 at 7:05 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Indeed, we don't know everything. Anyone can answer a question but not everyone can answer it correctly. "I don't know" is a top answer in many cases.
I know he's going to say that all cells are identical and only reproduce asexually, he's going to apply that to his 'first living cells argument' and claim that therefore cells couldn't have possibly been the first form of life otherwise no variation would have ever occured.
Also just wondering any new on whether this John guy has a degree.
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RE: Scientific proof for a theist.
August 23, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Ask for evidence, they hate that.
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RE: Scientific proof for a theist.
August 23, 2011 at 7:14 pm
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RE: Scientific proof for a theist.
August 23, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Quote:I know he's going to say that all cells are identical and only reproduce asexually, he's going to apply that to his 'first living cells argument' and claim that therefore cells couldn't have possibly been the first form of life otherwise no variation would have ever occured.
Ask him if he has any evidence. Should stop him dead. We can only go with the evidence we have. If he thinks he knows best, ask him to prove it.
Quote:Also just wondering any new on whether this John guy has a degree.
Most likely one in theology.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Scientific proof for a theist.
August 23, 2011 at 7:24 pm
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(August 23, 2011 at 7:11 pm)DraxQuin Wrote: I know he's going to say that all cells are identical and only reproduce asexually, he's going to apply that to his 'first living cells argument' and claim that therefore cells couldn't have possibly been the first form of life otherwise no variation would have ever occured.
Also just wondering any new on whether this John guy has a degree.
As evidenced by the fact that parents have children which are perfect clones of themselves.....lulz. So, drunkenly perusing your link. Argumentum verbosium. "Proof by intimidation". Tell your friend to stop complaining about science and provide his own, falsifiable theory. Press him for specifics and then call him a moron. It doesn't matter if you know why. He is. If he objects to such treatment, tell him that what can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. (Call him a moron again)
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RE: Scientific proof for a theist.
August 23, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Quote:and this guy wants information immediately,
Who cares what he wants? I do not argue with stuffwit dogmatic fundies. It's like trying to communicate with an orangutang,or a politician.
Such people suffer from willful ignorance and/or sublime stupidity and/or cognitive dissonance. They are unmoved by reason or evidence
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