Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills

[reverendjeremiah]

I couldn't give a flying fuck if you disagree with me on political or any other issues but I will no longer tolerate being called a Nazi, it's nothing more than a personal attack.

Can you find where I personally called YOU a Nazi?

[Tiberius]

Personal attacks don't necessarily have to be aimed directly at someone. If you are debating a creationist and make the generalization "creationists are idiots" then you are knowingly making a comparison between that person's beliefs and being an idiot. The same applies here; you are well aware that some people on this forum are Republicans, or Libertarians, and yet you continually make reference to both groups as somehow connected to Nazism.

In my book, that isn't just rude and childish; it's wholly irresponsible.

I've been to your websites Rev, I know you're probably a smart guy, so I don't believe for one minute that you actually think that the political theories of the Republican and Libertarian parties come even close to Nazism. The only reason you would make the comparison then, is for effect; to try and scare your opponent into submission. You honestly have to step back, calm down, and take a good look at the sorts of things you are posting. When you open thread after thread with an immediate example of Godwin's law, and get the negative response you've been getting (even from non-Republicans and non-Libertarians), you have to stand back and think that maybe, just maybe, it is you who is wrong about the politics here.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but have you ever actually raised a single argument for why Republican party politics and Libertarianism can be so closely related to Nazism? I certainly haven't seen them if you have. Hence why I don't think you actually have any reason (other than for effect) to use such a comparison. Go ahead, and prove me wrong.

[reverendjeremiah]

[Tiberius]

[reverendjeremiah]

I grow tired of saying the same thing over and over again..here it is for the last time.

Libertarians, Fascists, and Republicans are IN COHOOTS WITH EACH OTHER. Thus the "Republibertarianazi" one liner. Min has explained it to you several times before as well.

ARE...IN...COHOOTS...WITH...EACH...OTHER... =/= are the exact same.

OF COURSE I know that fascists and libertarians are seperate species. DUH!!!

Everytime I point out that Libertarians, Republicans and Fascists are in cohoots together..you completely change the topic and say "Fascists arent libertarians" and blah blah blah 3 pages long.

Here it is one more time, just so you can see it again.

In AMERICA, Adrian.... Fascists, republicans, and Libertarians gang up together...and sometimes they blend into each other.

THAT is what all of my posts have been pointing out. Quite well if I say so myself.


but that doesnt matter anymore...you will no true scottsman the entire post anyways.

[Tiberius]

...and I've explained to you time and time again that there is no evidence that Libertarians (or Republicans for that matter) are in cahoots with Nazis or Fascists. You keep making the same generalizations and flawed arguments.

Point out just one statement made by the Libertarian Party in the US that even remotely borders on fascist beliefs. I challenge you. If they are in cahoots with each other so much, you should be able to find just one example.

You won't though, because as I've said time and time again, Libertarianism is the polar opposite of fascism. The two will never mix.

[reverendjeremiah]

...and I've explained to you time and time again that there is no evidence that Libertarians (or Republicans for that matter) are in cahoots with Nazis or Fascists. You keep making the same generalizations and flawed arguments.

Point out just one statement made by the Libertarian Party in the US that even remotely borders on fascist beliefs. I challenge you. If they are in cahoots with each other so much, you should be able to find just one example.

You won't though, because as I've said time and time again, Libertarianism is the polar opposite of fascism. The two will never mix.

I just did..I gave you a BLUNT one and you just brushed it off and started back up with the "wheres your proof?" again. I post proof and you grab the goal posts and back up some more.. keep moving that goal post back further and soon you will convince yourself that you are the only "true" libertarian that exists. Everyone else is just someone "saying" they are a libertarian. I must admit, I like my economic stance, but when it screws up I dont go moving the goal posts back and say "that wasnt 'true' mixed economics..that was something else." Nope, Ill flat out admit that mixed economics fucked up about a decade ago

But to talk to you and void about your "austrian school"? OMG, talk about an idolized economicphilosophy of GOLD!!! It is PERFECT! Scientifically tested with scientificmathematicall formulas that can predict market surges, and predict this, and that. You guys never do any wrong or make any mistakes.

Watch this..Im an indep Progressive, and I decided to vote for Obama because he convinced me he was the most progressive on the ticket...turned out he fooled me. Obama is no Progressive. He's just another right winger. So I screwed up. The early Progressives made the BIG mistake of Prohibition. We learned from our mistakes, but not after the cost of many a citizens freedoms. Of course those were REAL Progressives who made that mistake. Yes, I ADMIT that Progressive have made mistakes, and will probably continue to make mistakes.

...now...

I put Glenn Beck in front of you guys and you are like "NO, NO, NO, He's not a Libertarian..he only says he's one! No 'true' libertarian would say some of the things he does say."

So, in the end, we have a group of "true" libertarians (Void and Adrian OBVIOUSLY being members) who hold economic policies that cannot fail, and one would only be a fool to vote other wise, and the goal post is successfully out of reach of anyone or anything possibly scoring against us 'true' libertarians.


I wash my hands of it... Im tired of dicking around with it. Put your Superman cape around your political ideology all you want. Twice the pride, double the fall...and hopefully you dont take anyone with you when it happens.

[theVOID]

[reverendjeremiah]

Libertarianism calls for a small-state with individual autonomy, Fascism calls for a large authoritative state.

This alone makes the two completely incompatible, a "little big government with both limited and unlimited power" is about as logically possible as a "square circle".

Yet everytime I read about Fascism I cant tell where the state ends and corporations begin. They blend so well into each other. It also fits with the Libertarian method in the states "vote economic freedom first, then YOU will get social freedom". You see, the Libertarians in the state only care for economic freedom. Once they are rich, they can AFFORD their social freedom. Do they want to give up their cushy lawyer job prosecuting drug offenders? FUCK NO! They will bump their cocaine lines and prosecute coke users at the same time. THAT, is the libertarian idea in the states. Freedom for ME! I havent seen a single libertarian choose ranks with social Progressives. Not a single one..and I tell you that I am VERY politically active. Because social freedom isnt profitable.

When you say libertarians and republicans are Nazis you are doing no different than if someone was to post thread after thread claiming that jews eat and rape babies, If someone did that and Summer or other people of Jewish descent on this forum felt personally offended would would you object?

Reach for them straws..reach and reach and reach for them..just a bit closer..
Jews eat and "rape" babies? Me? No.

Anyone who is everyone knows that Jews sacrifice christian babies to satan.

I don't agree with Adrian that "creationists are idiots" is a good example though it certainly has elements of offence to it, someone being a creationist means they believe things to be true about the world which are demonstrably false and while the beliefs can be idiotic calling someone an idiot unequivocally is almost always both factually wrong and offensive though it's hardly hate speech to the same extent, a somewhat a more analogous example would be calling all creationists paedophiles.

Watch Void as his libertarian "social liberties" melt down from "everyone deserves social freedom" to "I have power and you are offending me".

Shall me and you go through the site and rate up everyones warning meter for calling creationists idiots? Adrian says its equivalent. Are you ready to rate up 90% of the members of this site? So me calling Libertarians "Nazi's" is a "personal attack" on you personally. But the vast major of this site calling creationists idiots is what? A semi-personal attack? Di dI mention that the majority of Nazis were also creationists?

So, a fascist organisation supporting Ron Paul makes libertarians fascists?

Awesome! Obama is a communist, Democrats are part of the Phelps family, Al Gore is an environmental extremist/terrorist, Castro is a 'worker' etc etc...

LOL..I love it! TRUE...TRUE...

AE is no more an economic philosophy of gold than keynesianism is an economic philosophy of digging ditches, it is true for both that many proponents from each 'school' advocate those specific or similar ideas, a "gold standard" (or more specifically 'sound money') in the former and "digging ditches and filling them back up" (when there is sparse economic activity) in the latter but each idea is in no way a necessary part of the ideology, let alone it's defining element - They are conclusions reached by some of the proponents in response to various economic problems, 'sound money' (either tied to material wealth or as a function of economic growth) is a proposed solution (or more astutely a preventer) to the boom/bust cycle and "Digging ditches" (increasing government activity through any potential means - the Variable G in Y = C + I + G.) is a solution to falling consumption and the 'liquidity trap' and overall output in Keynesianism.

WOW...look at all of those bullshit equations. You cant predict economies. Where exactly do you place "human greed and corruption" into that equation?

Yeah..I thought so.

..and you say you are influenced by anarchist ideas.
As far as your test, I dont give a shit about it. What makes you think I place so much faith into Keynesian economics? Because I say I am a mixed economist? LMFAO! They have turned it into a fascist system, as always "privatise the profits, socialise the loses".

The rest of your post is you pointing out the mistakes that I willingly admitted, all the time still brushing the superman cape of your libertarian utopia and not admiting a single mistake of your own..as always.

There is no utopia. there is no inherent economic or social model. Being a fan of anarchy, you should know this.

[Tiberius]

I just did..I gave you a BLUNT one and you just brushed it off and started back up with the "wheres your proof?" again. I post proof and you grab the goal posts and back up some more.. keep moving that goal post back further and soon you will convince yourself that you are the only "true" libertarian that exists.

Your example was a fascist party claiming support for Ron Paul. It was not a statement made by the Libertarian Party in support of fascism, or a fascist policy. It amazes me that I even have to explain how your example is fallacious...it should be obvious to anyone. If you decided to run for office, and I supported you, would that make you a Libertarian? No. Now apply the same logic you used there to the "evidence" you gave me.

I put Glenn Beck in front of you guys and you are like "NO, NO, NO, He's not a Libertarian..he only says he's one! No 'true' libertarian would say some of the things he does say."

So let me get this straight...you are allowed to say "Oh, but Obama isn't a true progressive", but we aren't allowed to say "Oh, but Glenn Beck isn't a Libertarian". Thanks for the double standard. Glenn Beck is as much a Libertarian as Obama is a progressive, that's why we say he's not a "true" Libertarian.

So, in the end, we have a group of "true" libertarians (Void and Adrian OBVIOUSLY being members) who hold economic policies that cannot fail, and one would only be a fool to vote other wise, and the goal post is successfully out of reach of anyone or anything possibly scoring against us 'true' libertarians.

I never said that Libertarians hold economic policies which cannot fail. The success and failure of policies doesn't negate one's Libertarianism. I'm fine with admitting that Libertarianism is an experimental political ideology at best; it hasn't been tried and tested yet. Thus it may be that Libertarianism in practice is the wrong thing to do.

We aren't moving the goal posts here. The goal posts we've already defined pretty well. You can go to any dictionary or to Wikipedia, or a Libertarian party manifesto and read the definition of Libertarianism. That definition is what we base the goalposts on. What has happened is that you have given "evidence" after evidence, and we have judged it based on the definition of Libertarianism, and every time it has fallen short in some way. That isn't us moving the goalposts, it's you failing to even reach them in the first place.