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The what if your wrong argument.
September 21, 2011 at 6:08 pm
theist keep on saying what if your wrong and our immortal souls are vanquished to hell. And athiest come back with what if your wrong. And I was thinking wouldn't it be more than worth our time to be able to control what we can while we are here on earth. Creationist have such blind faith that they are going to go to the disneyland in the sky that they really don't care about what happens here on earth.. This is where the problem is. Let's see what happens if the theist are wrong and there is no disneyland and we don't clean up the earth and protect the planet for those who come after us. the thing is Global warming in real, it has facts to back it up, God and heaven there is no facts, no proof it exist. and yet they still continue to choose the non proof over proof i just don't get it/
Bill Maher: If you believe that the world is going to come to an end - and perhaps any day now - does it not drain one's motivation to improve life on earth while we're here?
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RE: The what if your wrong argument.
September 21, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Woah, you're all over the place there chap. I don't think Pascal's Wager has much to do with global warming. Global warming is a genuine concern, but it's not really related to that. Firstly, many Christians assert that there are facts to prove God's existence. They can't provide them of course, but that would kind of answer that from their point of view.
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RE: The what if your wrong argument.
September 21, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Sorry if you misunderstood my rant. but what i'm saying is that they say what if we are wrong about heaven and eternal life. but what if they are wrong about it and there is not after life and no rapture. So many theist i talk to really don't give a rats ass about what happens to the earth because "first they believe god gave it to them to do what they want with" and secondly since the "rapture" is coming then they should work more on saving their "soul" then worrying about the welfare of the planet . So what i'm saying what if thieist are wrong. what if there is no rapture and they have already fucked up the planet and there is no saving it at that point.
Bill Maher: If you believe that the world is going to come to an end - and perhaps any day now - does it not drain one's motivation to improve life on earth while we're here?
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RE: The what if your wrong argument.
September 21, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Yeah I kind of get that, but you're asking a bit much of Christians if you want them to firstly use logic, and secondly not be hypocrites.
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RE: The what if your wrong argument.
September 21, 2011 at 7:40 pm
(This post was last modified: September 21, 2011 at 7:54 pm by Simon Moon.)
The 'what if you're wrong?' argument fails on many more levels than what you mention.
Just responding with "well, what if you're wrong?" without explaining why the question itself is completely flawed, does nothing to support the atheist position.
Atheists being wrong would not necessarily result in being sent to hell, nor does it mean that the theist is right by default.
1. Not all deities believed in by theists punish disbelievers.
2. Theists and atheists could both be wrong and end up in the hell of a deity that neither believe in.
3. They feel that we have a choice to believe that their specific 'nonbeliever punishing deity' exists and that we can just start believing it exists just 'to cover our ass'.
4. What is atheists are wrong and the god that does exist is one that rewards those of us that utilized the brain that 'he' gave us to determine that there was insufficient evidence to justify belief that 'he' exists? And the same god punishes theists for being gullible enough to believe in the rantings of superstitious, Bronze Age barbaric, goat herding, tribesmen?
Just to see if the person that uses the 'what if your wrong?' argument completely fails at critical thinking (as if asking that question is not enough evidence already  ), ask them to prove that the god I just described does not exist.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: The what if your wrong argument.
September 21, 2011 at 7:45 pm
(This post was last modified: September 21, 2011 at 7:46 pm by fr0d0.)
You know some strange people xxx
And I'm totally with you. Although I don't believe such [xtian] ppl exist who think this life isn't important. That's unbiblical. I've heard people almost stoned to death for even coming clopse to such a suggestion... take Rob Bell recently. Exact same scenario.
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RE: The what if your wrong argument.
September 21, 2011 at 8:34 pm
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Yeah, the bible is definitely one of the greatest treatises on the worth and value of human life ever written.........
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The what if your wrong argument.
September 22, 2011 at 6:36 pm
(September 21, 2011 at 8:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Yeah, the bible is definitely one of the greatest treatises on the worth and value of human life ever written.........
Reminds me of a clip from The Atheist Experience, in which Matt Dillahunty asks a theist caller why he cherrypicks which bits of The Law to follow and which bits to ignore, such as would he take a disobedient child to the edge of town and stone him to death? To which the caller says of course not, if he did things like that he'd be arrested. The Bible... so relevant to our modern times!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The what if your wrong argument.
September 23, 2011 at 4:51 am
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Quote:What if they're wrong?
The question is arse about. Why on earth should I believe they might be right?
(1) There is no credible evidence to prove the premise of their argument. IE the existence of god.
(2) The doctrine of the rapture was an imaginative invention of a couple of American puritans in the seventeenth century. The frootloopery of the rapture remains in the purview of the lunar religious right, a tiny minority of Christians world wide.
Quote:In some modern traditions of Christian eschatology, the Rapture is a reference to "being caught up" referred to in 1 Thess 4:17, when, in the End Times, the Christians of the world will be gathered together in the air to meet Jesus Christ.[1] Rapture is used in at least two senses, in the sense of pre-tribulation views in which a group of people will be "left behind" and as a synonym for the Resurrection generally.[2][3][4][5]
Quote:The concept of the Rapture, in connection with premillennialism, was expressed by the 17th-century American Puritan father and son Increase and Cotton Mather. They held to the idea that believers would be caught up in the air, followed by judgments on the Earth, and then the millennium.[12][13] The term Rapture was used by Philip Doddridge[14] and John Gill[15] in their New Testament commentaries, with the idea that believers would be caught up prior to judgment on the Earth and Jesus' Second Coming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
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RE: The what if your wrong argument.
September 23, 2011 at 10:40 am
Nothing wrong with adding a little fan fiction to your favorite fantasy.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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