Bachmann Can't Pony Up

[Shell B]

No, i got that part, and if your kids and my kids ever did the dirty they'd be happy and healthy (and fabulous), however, that's an exchange between two people who have been immunized. Those that are not run the risk of reintroducing a more aggressive form of same said virus that is not affected by our fabulous children's immunity. There is no certainty that this new virus would be limited to the means of transmission that limited it's predecessors. 15 years into a wonderful marriage and my kid comes down with an "std" from a swig from the wrong beer bottle at reunion party. I'm gonna blame your kid, cause I raised mine right, know what I mean?

I can see your point about it becoming more aggressive, which is where the "raised right" point comes in. Condoms, condoms and more condoms. I think I might even tell my kids, which may or may not ever exist, that I will literally drop off condoms to them if they decide to do the nasty. Now, that being said, your argument could actually be used against vaccinations and for more aggressive means of promoting safe sex. This is where it get hairy because a lot of Christians think safe sex (condoms) is wrong. Now, we can either hope that STDS eventually kill stupid or we can just tell our kids not to fuck Christians.

(I do understand your objection to mandatory vaccinations, I just don't think it's a very safe way to address the issue, given how crowded we are now, and projections for the future, that many potential hosts in such close proximity....People who don't vaccinate their children may as well be pointing a loaded gun at mine)

Which sucks, but viruses are natural population control, as it is. Furthermore, if we're going to be a society of sissy hand-holders then where are we going to draw the line? Because, let's be real, any instance where a political line can be drawn, it will be in this country, regardless of whether people actually believe what they are saying or not. If you want to live in a society where we all agree to force vaccinations on children, then you have to be ready to accept a society that forces other things and takes out at least one of these ridiculous political parties. We either have rights or we don't. You either vaccinate for everything, only things that spread easily through day-to-day contact or nothing.

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Er....those unvaccinated masses are exactly the dynamic that Bachmann is aiming at.

The dumber they are the better she likes them....and they her.

Oh, I know. I am not arguing that she is not a fucking idiot. That "vaccines will make your kids retarded" shit was a blatant fucking lie. I do not agree with her as far as telling people not to vaccinate. I simply agree that forcing vaccinations for diseases that do not spread easily through non-sexual touch is too much. We're also not taking into account that children see their pediatricians privately in their teens and can talk to their doctors about the vaccination. They don't have to have it as small children. Sure, the window between sex and potentially being intelligent enough to get the vaccine yourself is large enough for some errors, but stupid parents do not always mean stupid children. They have until their twenties to get vaccinated. Like other diseases, you should see a decrease, whether or not the stupids vaccinate.

[The Grand Nudger]

We already live in a country with mandatory vaccinations. Unless you don't want your kids receiving an education. Vaccinations or rights? We have rights or we don't? I'm not really sure that those are the only choices.

There's nothing here that even remotely violates our current understanding of "rights". My rights end where your nose begins yes? Deciding to become a potential host for a virus we would like to take a crack at eliminating is crossing that line in front of your nose. I am putting you at risk, without your consent (or even your knowledge). I don't see vaccinations as sissy hand-holding. It's common sense. I'm sure I won't get any disagreement that sometimes people don't leverage that common sense and they need to be reminded, especially when the rest of us are involved. Just attach it to middle school attendance. Done deal. (Or High School, can't remember, is it 10 yr?) Sex is day-to-day contact. 247 births a minute (and those are just the successful attempts).

[Shell B]

We already live in a country with mandatory vaccinations. Unless you don't want your kids receiving an education. Vaccinations or rights? We have rights or we don't? I'm not really sure that those are the only choices.

Mandatory vaccinations for particularly dangerous and contagious diseases.

There's nothing here that even remotely violates our current understanding of "rights".

Sure it does. Forcing people to put a foreign substance into their bodies to prevent a disease that is preventable by other means kind of steps on your right to do what you want with your body, doesn't it? I agree that sometimes those "rights" have to be trod on. However, I don't think that is the case here.

Deciding to become a potential host for a virus we would like to take a crack at eliminating is crossing that line in front of your nose. I am putting you at risk, without your consent (or even your knowledge).

I have the option to use a condom or request that you we have std tests before having sexual intercourse. If I were to dismiss that option, I knowingly take that risk, giving you my consent.

I don't see vaccinations as sissy hand-holding.

Nor do I. I see forcing people to have vaccinations as sissy hand holding. If HPV becomes airborne or transmittable through casual contact, I would agree that forced vaccinations have become necessary. However, I don't see it going that far. Some people have refused all kinds of vaccinations or not had access to them. Mankind has somehow managed to survive.

It's common sense.

Agreed, but stupid people endanger other people everyday in a myriad of ways. Are we going to regulate all of that and allow the population to get even further out of control?

I'm sure I won't get any disagreement that sometimes people don't leverage that common sense and they need to be reminded, especially when the rest of us are involved. Just attach it to middle school attendance. Done deal. (Or High School, can't remember, is it 10 yr?)

Alternatively, we could offer it to teens without parental consent, like birth control. If my doctor had asked me that as a teen, I likely would have said yes. Of course, I am too old for it now, so someone is probably going to kill me with their penis. hock:

[The Grand Nudger]

At least the line will be long, and you can choose a pretty one to deliver the final blow.

[Shell B]

At least the line will be long, and you can choose a pretty one to deliver the final blow.

A "pretty" penis. Now there is an interesting concept.

[Minimalist]

Alternatively, we could offer it to teens without parental consent,

The Bachmann Shitheads would screech like scorched cats.

[Shell B]

The Bachmann Shitheads would screech like scorched cats.

Making the idea that much more appealing.

[Erinome]

Michelle Bachmann maybe deep inside believes the administration of the HPV vaccine stops god from fully exercising his judgement for certain sins through diseases such as cervical cancer, genital warts and etc.

It is not surprising since a lot of her "brothers and sisters in Christ" believe that their imaginary friend (god) likes to punish certain sexual acts, above other sins. Mind you this is all indicators these people are extremely sexually repressed, it all shows you that god was created in the image of man not the other way around.

That's what I was hinting at, exactly! Thanks for saying that, it hurt my brain to try to communicate the stupidity of her "logic".

[Autumnlicious]

I can't believe, amid the incredible damage done by anti-vaccine lunatics, that there is a discussion on vaccinating young girls against an extremely virulent and deadly cancer that is provoked through certain STD's.

Were this a discussion on a vaccine to halt HIV, would I hear the exact same things? I wonder...

(Mind you, select any induced cancer and substitute in lieu of "HIV" if you feel it is an unfair question)

[Shell B]

I can't believe, amid the incredible damage done by anti-vaccine lunatics, that there is a discussion on vaccinating young girls against an extremely virulent and deadly cancer that is provoked through certain STD's.

Were this a discussion on a vaccine to halt HIV, would I hear the exact same things? I wonder...

You would. I actually thought about making that comparison a few times. HIV is preventable through other means. Again, I am not saying people shouldn't vaccinate their kids. They damn well should. We just shouldn't make them do it, if the diseases are preventable through other means. A much more desirable approach would be a very thorough campaign on educating people about vaccines and shutting up the morons. If we have to resort to forcing people to vaccinate their children, we are failing as a society.

It is interesting to note that not all Hepatitis vaccinations are mandatory in many areas. However, no one is saying shit about it, despite it being more contagious than HPV from what I can tell. There are extremists on both sides of every debate. In this one, you have people only pimping certain vaccinations when crazy idiots don't like it and then you have the crazy idiots only disliking vaccines that their opposition likes. It's fucking stupid. STDs = wear a fucking condom, provide condoms for your kids.