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Homosexuals and Heaven
RE: Homosexuals and Heaven
(October 5, 2011 at 8:56 pm)aleialoura Wrote:
(October 5, 2011 at 6:01 pm)salty Wrote: That sign demonstrates that church goers are just as sinful as everyone else, doing all their little deeds in the darkness as well. I can't stand when people "threaten" things with Hell. It should simply be that people want to do the right thing because they desire to be moral people, not just hanging punishment over their heads. As you know, I do believe Hell is a real place, but I do not think it needs to be used that way!

The sinner that put that sign up is immoral, they are misusing words to intentionally threaten and hurt people!

Fucking hilarious. You know, I know a group of people who are moral just because they want to be, and not for fear of punishment. They're called atheists... and they think you suck.

Stealing doesn't hurt people, but mean signs do? Get bent with your stupidity. Seriously.

I thought you were done. I knew you couldn't resist. Lol.

You obviously missed the point I was trying to make about stealing, but I guess your retort made you feel better. I don't mind if people here don't like me. The anonymity of the internet gives some people the gull to say all kinds of things they wouldn't say in real life.

If you think you have the ability to throw down and you live in the united states why don't you meet with me? You can even come armed with pepper spray if you're afraid, but I doubt, while looking into my eyes any of you can act the way you are right now.

Care to meet me aleialoura? Don't be afraid....
(October 5, 2011 at 10:13 pm)Dotard Wrote:
(October 5, 2011 at 8:12 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Being gay isn't a disease. It certainly isn't abnormal. I think you're obviously a repressed self loathing homosexual yourself, too bad you don't have the balls to just accept it. Wink

Typical. Ad hominem. Nice job. Thumb up

Yes it is abnormal. It is a far cry from normal sexual behaviors of the vast majority of people and animals.

Disease may be too harsh a word, but I say it because cancer is an abnormality, sickle-cell is an abnormality, schizophrenia is an abnormality. All these are called diseases. I throw homosexuality in that lot.

Please try again.

Actually I read a book while I was living overseas and the writer was a Christian who struggled with homosexuality, but refused to act on it because he was devoted to serving God. He often said it was a disease within him, thirsting, desiring to be fulfilled, but he would not allow his body to control his mind, his actions.

I think disease is a good comparison in that sense, but yes, a harsh word.
"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6
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Salty you had talked about society moving forward, and described anyone who tried to prevent equality as "less than human". So while you don't personally agree with or like homosexuality do you think they should have equal rights?

People who prevented interracial marriages may have claimed that they weren't hostile either, but just trying to preserve racial purity.

(October 6, 2011 at 1:15 am)salty Wrote: If you think you have the ability to throw down and you live in the united states why don't you meet with me?

is that the christian in you coming out, or just the american?
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RE: Homosexuals and Heaven
(October 6, 2011 at 1:15 am)salty Wrote: I thought you were done. I knew you couldn't resist. Lol.

You obviously missed the point I was trying to make about stealing, but I guess your retort made you feel better. I don't mind if people here don't like me. The anonymity of the internet gives some people the gull to say all kinds of things they wouldn't say in real life.

If you think you have the ability to throw down and you live in the united states why don't you meet with me? You can even come armed with pepper spray if you're afraid, but I doubt, while looking into my eyes any of you can act the way you are right now.

Care to meet me aleialoura? Don't be afraid....

I have a functioning mind, salty. I don't need to stoop to typical christian violence to win an argument. I also have children whom matter to me greatly, despite my godlessness, and I try to live my life so that I teach them by example.

Your immoral nature comes clearer with every post. This is one of your most immature, vile, and ridiculous statements.
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RE: Homosexuals and Heaven
(October 6, 2011 at 12:54 am)cdog Wrote: So in my examples assume the heterosexuals are married.

Why is flying a bad example? What about scuba diving?

I don't agree with you that a married couple is more committed to one another than a non-married couple. Nothing stops a married couple from getting divorced so the whole idea of this "life-long commitment" is just a farce. Not that I think it's a good idea that married couples be forced to stay together; my parents had a rocky relationship but stayed together "for the kids". Rest assured, we were all relieved when they finally separated.

But really the marriage issue is separate from homosexuality.

Marriages are dealt with in many different ways, but the general purpose of it is to make a life-long commitment. I know what you mean about parents staying together "for the kids" really if they are not dedicated to the relationship and to each other then that kind of marriage is a curse because no real issues are ever addressed and it can lead to unfaithfulness in mind and in body.

Assume they are married? Ok, I'll have to go back for another look.

I will also have to reread your example for a response on flying.
(October 6, 2011 at 1:20 am)cdog Wrote: Salty you had talked about society moving forward, and described anyone who tried to prevent equality as "less than human". So while you don't personally agree with or like homosexuality do you think they should have equal rights?

People who prevented interracial marriages may have claimed that they weren't hostile either, but just trying to preserve racial purity.

(October 6, 2011 at 1:15 am)salty Wrote: If you think you have the ability to throw down and you live in the united states why don't you meet with me?

is that the christian in you coming out, or just the american?

First. I do support equal rights for homosexuals. I don't think their lifestyle will stop them from managing a store, making food, doing any job really and I think its unfair to give lower wages, etc. I do not support the use of the word "marriage" for a homosexual union because I feel that belongs to heterosexual unions, but that's just my thinking, if they want to make a life long commitment, then so be it. Of course if they stopped and asked me what I think, I would declare that I believe homosexuality is immoral. I haven't met anyone that is excited to ask if another person approves of their choices, they just live their lives.

When I say throw down. I don't mean fight. I mean meet me for discussion and probably lunch. I feel that people are far more harsh on the internet because they don't need to look at someone while they're speaking. Most people just aren't outright rude, but if they are, then we really should meet because its extremely likely they don't have friends....

"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6
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So you would be fine if homosexuals could have a union that gave all same benefits as marriage, you just don't think it should be called marriage? Why don't interracials have their own union called something other than marriage?

It seems strange to me that you agree they should have the same rights, but goddamn they can't have that word!
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RE: Homosexuals and Heaven
(October 6, 2011 at 1:29 am)aleialoura Wrote:
(October 6, 2011 at 1:15 am)salty Wrote: I thought you were done. I knew you couldn't resist. Lol.

You obviously missed the point I was trying to make about stealing, but I guess your retort made you feel better. I don't mind if people here don't like me. The anonymity of the internet gives some people the gull to say all kinds of things they wouldn't say in real life.

If you think you have the ability to throw down and you live in the united states why don't you meet with me? You can even come armed with pepper spray if you're afraid, but I doubt, while looking into my eyes any of you can act the way you are right now.

Care to meet me aleialoura? Don't be afraid....

I have a functioning mind, salty. I don't need to stoop to typical christian violence to win an argument. I also have children whom matter to me greatly, despite my godlessness, and I try to live my life so that I teach them by example.

Your immoral nature comes clearer with every post. This is one of your most immature, vile, and ridiculous statements.

You would take it as violence. When I say throw down I mean can you represent yourself in person the way you do on the internet, over lunch? What Christian has been violent to you? Don't you have Christians in your life that are among your loved ones?

My immoral nature is just as bad as yours, we're both sinners, the only difference is I recognize the immorality, I'm forgiven and I work to put a stop to it continuing.

I guess you probably would feel threatened there are a lot of white people that fear black people, just because we're black. I don't remember saying I would harm you in anyway, but I do encourage you to answer for your crude comments in person, because I literally do not believe you could be this harsh in person. Really. I think you and I would get along and maybe build some mutual respect.

I have no desire to have my good reputation with God, with my family, with my friends ruined by violence. I would sooner allow you to hit me than to ever retaliate against physical or verbal abuse. I think with every post, that should become apparent to someone that claims they have clear thinking.
"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6
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Snacks

Oh dear salty.
Shovel offer still good. Big Grin
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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RE: Homosexuals and Heaven
(October 6, 2011 at 1:47 am)cdog Wrote: So you would be fine if homosexuals could have a union that gave all same benefits as marriage, you just don't think it should be called marriage? Why don't interracials have their own union called something other than marriage?

It seems strange to me that you agree they should have the same rights, but goddamn they can't have that word!

Please stop comparing blacks to homosexuals. Blacks cannot hide their skin color or their features. Homosexuals have to "come out of the closet" in order for people to know they are gay, unless they adopt the cultural behaviors of the gay community.

Really homosexuality cannot be compared to any ethnicity...
"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6
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RE: Homosexuals and Heaven
(October 6, 2011 at 2:00 am)salty Wrote:
(October 6, 2011 at 1:47 am)cdog Wrote: So you would be fine if homosexuals could have a union that gave all same benefits as marriage, you just don't think it should be called marriage? Why don't interracials have their own union called something other than marriage?

It seems strange to me that you agree they should have the same rights, but goddamn they can't have that word!

Please stop comparing blacks to homosexuals. Blacks cannot hide their skin color or their features. Homosexuals have to "come out of the closet" in order for people to know they are gay, unless they adopt the cultural behaviors of the gay community.

Really homosexuality cannot be compared to any ethnicity...

Yes it can the underlying discrimination is the same.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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I take it you would find it repugnant for interracial couples to have to call their unions that are identical to marriage something other than marriage?
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