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**The Grand Nudger** · September 27, 2011 at 10:03 am

You're firing off common (and garbage) apologetic arguments rapid fire without backing any of them up. Try to focus on any one of them, please.

~~Stucky~~ · (This post was last modified: September 27, 2011 at 10:08 am by Stucky.)

(September 27, 2011 at 10:03 am)Rhythm Wrote: You're firing off common (and garbage) apologetic arguments rapid fire without backing any of them up. Try to focus on any one of them, please.

And you are making an accusation without substance. If you have a response, please make it so I can reply. Looks like the shoe is on the other foot today Rhythm.

Seriously Rhythm, don;t fault me for responding to replies, make your argument so I can respond to it.

**The Grand Nudger** · September 27, 2011 at 10:09 am

Without substance...lol, okay buddy. You've presented the following:

First Cause.
Biblical Innerrency
ID
"No God No Morality"
The God of the Gaps.
Creation Ex Nihilo
(Would you like the post number for any of these?)

The list of propositions for which you have offered evidence, or even attempted to support is:

(See how empty this list is compared to the first?)

~~Stucky~~ · September 27, 2011 at 10:14 am

(September 27, 2011 at 10:09 am)Rhythm Wrote: Without substance...lol, okay buddy. You've presented the following:

First Cause.
Biblical Innerrency
ID
"No God No Morality"
The God of the Gaps.
Creation Ex Nihilo
(Would you like the post number for any of these?)

The list of propositions for which you have offered evidence, or even attempted to support is:

(See how empty this list is compared to the first?)

Rhythm, you're obviously more intelligent than me so you have to type slowly and spell things out for me.

I see nothing to respond to in what you posted here. Could nyou please elaborate for this poor feeble old man?

KichigaiNeko · (September 27, 2011 at 9:57 am)

(September 27, 2011 at 9:57 am)Stucky Wrote:

Hi KichigaiNeko. Yep, I nsure did. That was when I was in my attention whore, drama queen mood. Today I'm in my hopeful mood.
I understand why you would feel the way you do looking around but don't you think that we, mankind, have ruined our world to the point it is today? What if it was perfect when we first started out and the more we did the more we ruined it until it is in bad shape like today?

Also, if it wasn't created, how did the universe come about (in your opinion)?

My friends on this forum call me Kichi (easier to type)

You are Bipolar then?? No crime if you suffer this affliction but it would help if the forum is aware of this, it will temper their responses.

Firstly there IS NO sin in my opinion and no right or wrong per se.

Your opinion is a valuable tool for you is the opinion of this forum. Your ability to look at facts and question them is also very valuable ...but others have said this to you in other words.

It is my opinion that the world was never this "perfect place" the religious like to perpetrate on the gullible, it has always been a very violent place, full of change and challenge.

To say that 'mankind has ruined the Earth' is the epitome of arrogance in my opinion. We are OF this planet and this planet will do very well with or without us. You have any number of pre-historic events of extinction to look at for evidence. Complaining that "mankind has ruined this Earth" is the sort of whiny bleating I would expect from a three year old who has just figured out that Mummy and Daddy DON"T make the Sun Rise and Set. A rather infantile view in my opinion.

I support the current theory of the Big Bang (as the best model based on current available information) ...HOW the Big Bang came to be is another question and science is still looking into it. Some of the planet's best minds are working on this conundrum and I am certain that a plausible theory will surface soon enough. The whole of evolution is best put into layman's terms in "The Ancestor's Tale" by Richard Dawkins. You may not like the guy personally but he does have the science and a flair for putting that science into words that you and I can understand and relate to.

There is so much reading material out there that you could be perusing instead of a Fantasy novel from 1700 years ago (written very poorly I might add) designed to snare the gullible and uninformed.
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**The Grand Nudger**

Sure, NP. That was a short list of claims that you have made throughout this thread. These are claims that we see here often. We would appreciate it greatly if you were able to focus on one of them, and provide some sort of evidence to support the position. It's frustrating to try and have a conversation with someone who makes claims like these, and instead of backing them up, moves on to another claim. Sadly, this is also something we deal with often. So, the thread started out with Intelligent Design. Perhaps you would like to offer some evidence for this position? You don't have to choose this one, of course, but if you could pick one of them and give it some weight that would be fantastic.

(I could have made the list longer, but you are firing them off too quick to keep up with)

~~Stucky~~ · September 27, 2011 at 10:24 am

(September 27, 2011 at 10:17 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:
(September 27, 2011 at 9:57 am)Stucky Wrote:

Hi KichigaiNeko. Yep, I nsure did. That was when I was in my attention whore, drama queen mood. Today I'm in my hopeful mood.
I understand why you would feel the way you do looking around but don't you think that we, mankind, have ruined our world to the point it is today? What if it was perfect when we first started out and the more we did the more we ruined it until it is in bad shape like today?

Also, if it wasn't created, how did the universe come about (in your opinion)?

My friends on this forum call me Kichi (easier to type)

You are Bipolar then?? No crime if you suffer this affliction but it would help if the forum is aware of this, it will temper their responses.

Firstly there IS NO sin in my opinion and no right or wrong per se.

Your opinion is a valuable tool for you is the opinion of this forum. Your ability to look at facts and question them is also very valuable ...but others have said this to you in other words.

It is my opinion that the world was never this "perfect place" the religious like to perpetrate on the gullible, it has always been a very violent place, full of change and challenge.

To say that 'mankind has ruined the Earth' is the epitome of arrogance in my opinion. We are OF this planet and this planet will do very well with or without us. You have any number of pre-historic events of extinction to look at for evidence. Complaining that "mankind has ruined this Earth" is the sort of whiny bleating I would expect from a three year old who has just figured out that Mummy and Daddy DON"T make the Sun Rise and Set. A rather infantile view in my opinion.

I support the current theory of the Big Bang (as the best model based on current available information) ...HOW the Big Bang came to be is another question and science is still looking into it. Some of the planet's best minds are working on this conundrum and I am certain that a plausible theory will surface soon enough. The whole of evolution is best put into layman's terms in "The Ancestor's Tale" by Richard Dawkins. You may not like the guy personally but he does have the science and a flair for putting that science into words that you and I can understand and relate to.

There is so much reading material out there that you could be perusing instead of a Fantasy novel from 1700 years ago (written very poorly I might add) designed to snare the gullible and uninformed.

**Napoléon** · September 27, 2011 at 10:26 am

(September 27, 2011 at 9:09 am)Stucky Wrote: I would like to hear your opinions.

I think your opinion is based on zero thought. You like?

~~Stucky~~ · September 27, 2011 at 10:26 am

(September 27, 2011 at 10:19 am)Rhythm Wrote: Sure, NP. That was a short list of claims that you have made throughout this thread. These are claims that we see here often. We would appreciate it greatly if you were able to focus on one of them, and provide some sort of evidence to support the position. It's frustrating to try and have a conversation with someone who makes claims like these, and instead of backing them up, moves on to another claim. Sadly, this is also something we deal with often. So, the thread started out with Intelligent Design. Perhaps you would like to offer some evidence for this position? You don't have to choose this one, of course, but if you could pick one of them and give it some weight that would be fantastic.

(I could have made the list longer, but you are firing them off too quick to keep up with)

There you go again Rhythm, accusing me of firing points off to quick for you to keep up with when I am just nresponding to replies. Amazing, when I complained yesterday about too many people firing off responses at different points to me you called me a whiner. Another instance of your double standard.

**Napoléon** · September 27, 2011 at 10:27 am

(September 27, 2011 at 10:24 am)Stucky Wrote: But you offer no evidence for any of your statements. I can say I don't like you (which I'm not) but unless I say why it's just empty words, just as the things you say about me are empty words. You take offense when I call you out for your sarcasm but I'm not allowed to be offended at being called "stupid" "immature" and "arrogant". You seem to have quite a double standard, sweetie.

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