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RE: Did the flood really occur?
September 28, 2011 at 2:58 pm
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2011 at 2:58 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I'm fairly confident that you are relieved of any obligation to present evidence for Exodus on this forum, as it's becoming painfully obvious that you will simply quote scripture. Most of us own or have access to a bible and are familiar with the story. We don't need you to be an arbitrator between god and ourselves, nor do we require that you read scripture to us, we can all read, obviously.
Jesus fucking christ.
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RE: Did the flood really occur?
September 28, 2011 at 2:59 pm
(September 28, 2011 at 2:33 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: No. Jonah getting swallowed by a whale and surviving for three days inside it is more 'probable', and I use the term very very generously because its biologically impossible for most whales' anatomy to accomplish said feat, like Blue Whales for example, and Sperm Whales' lack of air cavities mean even if it happen you'd die of decompression sickness and/or asphyxiation within minutes.
Asphyxiation/drowning, yes. Decompression sickness, no - unless there was air available to breathe.
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RE: Did the flood really occur?
September 28, 2011 at 3:03 pm
(September 28, 2011 at 2:58 pm)Rhythm Wrote: nor do we require that you read scripture to us, we can all read, obviously.
I reckon that's just a very poor and cheap attempt to convince us some how. You know, convince us to ignore facts.
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RE: Did the flood really occur?
September 28, 2011 at 3:31 pm
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2011 at 3:55 pm by Simon Moon.)
There is evidence of regional floods. They happen all over the world.
A flood as described in the Bible did not, or could not have happened.
There are cultures all over the world that existed before the Biblical flood was supposed to have occurred and continued to survive during and after the Biblical flood supposedly occurred. Their history is continuous without any interruptions. If a global flood occurred, then why the cultures with continuous, uninterrupted histories?
There is no evidence in any field in science that a flood as described in the Bible could have, or did occur.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Did the flood really occur?
September 28, 2011 at 3:35 pm
"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6
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RE: Did the flood really occur?
September 28, 2011 at 3:39 pm
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You're the one that claimed that there was evidence for a flood. Should I link you to the posts? What's disappointing isn't that you didn't find any evidence, I knew before you began that you wouldn't. Whats disappointing is that you are unable to admit this, and instead make the statement that evidence for the flood narrative somehow depends on faith. It does not. Forgive me for calling bullshit when you claim to be thinking for yourself while quoting scripture.
So tell me, Salty, what have you learned? Don't even start in on some persecution bullshit. Who told you that you weren't beholden to us for any of this? Who told you to take your time? If you didn't want an earful, you shouldn't have posted that garbage.
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RE: Did the flood really occur?
September 28, 2011 at 4:06 pm
(September 28, 2011 at 2:23 pm)salty Wrote: I bought an old book called The Bible As History by Werner Keller (New York, 1981).
I'd say that was a waste of money...
There is so much invalidating evidence for the ark story that I can't fathom how any reasonably intelligent adult could posibly believe it. For starters, how did certain species of animals end up on far-flung parts of the planet if the only living creatures emerged from a boat stranded on a mountain in Turkey roughly 4,000 years ago? How could kangaroos and koala bears have possibly made it to Australia? How did tortoises get to the Galapagos Islands? How did snakes get to South America? They swam the Pacific Ocean? And how could a handful of people construct a keel for a 450' long boat? The story makes no sense as literal history.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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RE: Did the flood really occur?
September 28, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Salty is mad. She believes in fake shit, just like they all do. The best thing to do is ridicule their intelligence. World flood... ok tell me then where did all the extra water come from to encompass the whole earth, you can't make something out of nothing.
Its not real.
The bible is not written by any god, just men.
It is all stories and bullshit. And you actually believe it hahahahaha.I laugh at you, I feel sorry for you.
I have debated pastors and others like that, they can not and will not ever convince me of anything, because they lack things called FACTS. Just like you have none.
The basic premise can never be proven or validated.
The holy bible is fiction, plain and simple.
"supernatural considerations as to its origin" That is such a stupid thing to say. For real? Floods happen all the time, are they supernatural NO. Is anything proven to be supernatural NO. So how can you explain things as being supernatural, that is taking the lazy approach. MAGIC did it!!!! Such an anti-intellectual. hahaha. But you religious people give me tons of laughter...
Supernatural means defying physics. If that happened well the world would collapse as we know it, if I could all of a sudden magically go through walls, all laws that govern the universe would be in total chaos. You people don't think at all. Its sick.
Fact: Women lie.
My mother is a woman, therefore she’s a liar.
Uhhhhhh thats a fallacy, which is incorrect logic.
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RE: Did the flood really occur?
September 28, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Species repopulated areas in such a convenient manner for evolutionary biologists, didn't they...lol.
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RE: Did the flood really occur?
September 28, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Let's just say God didn't happen. So anything that was done by god either didn't happen or wasn't done by god. And nothing else did a global flood.
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