God Is Real

[thesummerqueen]

Jesus was a hippie and therefore evil by default.

[LastPoet]

I wonder why believers always come here trying to disprove sceince and evolution, but never start by the obvious thing to do: effectively prove god...

@OP: My advice has been iterated by others: go learn how evolution and science in general works.

[Ace Otana]

The main point that im trying to establish is that God exists and that any other conclusion is to me very illogical in a logical sense.

Really? Then I'm very unfamiliar to your version of logic.
It's NOT logical to use an unknown to explain the known. It is not logical to assume the improbable to explain anything that's known or unknown. You're not using logic, your jumping to the improbable and unsupported assertion that a god exists. That's all you've done. You've provided not better explanation, no evidence of something other than the natural world and you've used a baseless assertion which is extremely improbable and unsupported with no explanatory power or value to explain life and the cosmos.

And you think you're logical? Sheesh!

[The Grand Nudger]

Sneaking in under cover of night are they? "To you it may seem that the only thing I have proven is that evolution is..." LOL, no. To me it seems that you've been conned. They all think that shit is perfectly logical Ace, I can't even stand picking through our forum favorites arguments because they're all essentially the same. Everyone seems to have grand delusions about the power of their argument, or it's novelty. Sigh.

[reverendjeremiah]

I absolutely LOVE it..evolution has Christians on the run. the vast majority of modern Christians focus more on evolution (or, more precisely, what they THINK evolution is) than their own scriptures.

[Epimethean]

Holy shit, another christkook has entered the building. But this is a savvy one, employing the heretofore never beaten bananas don't come from oranges argument.

Apples, trees, proximity : Methinks idiots do, however, come from bibles.

[Ace Otana]

They all think that shit is perfectly logical Ace

Aye, they like to misuse such words. To twist the word 'logic' in such a way that it ceases to be logic. Like when creationist like to use the 'creation-science' in a very poor attempt to twist and deform science so that it now supports their baseless assertions, which of course is not science.

[LastPoet]

I absolutely LOVE it..evolution has Christians on the run. the vast majority of modern Christians focus more on evolution (or, more precisely, what they THINK evolution is) than their own scriptures.

Yes, but will they ever learn something about it?

[Strongbad]

DANG IT! Every time those smarty-pants "scientists" think they have their "theory" all figgered out and stuff, some genius fundie comes along and single-handedly refutes everything the "scientists" thought they knew. To wit:

...you cant get a bananna out of an orange tree...

...the fact is a human cant come from a monkey just as much as a grape from an orange.

Try making something out of nothing and see how much intelligence you use.

I guess it's back to the ol' "theory of evolution" drawing board! CHECK-MATE, ATHEINTISTS!

[Captain Scarlet]

OK, if you are asking questions like that, then you should genuinely
Also if you cant answer it regardless of your feelings toward me or my question then you sir are lacking knowledge.[snip] is...science is very unreliable in answering the completely logical questions .....if you want to be swept away by false assumptions from scientists who think they know how to explain life yet wont give a clear structure or example or cant even produce life theirselves then all up to you..You cant make something living from something that is not and thats a FACT so If you believe it has happened then you cant say science is your belief because you say you believe in science yet you say that when you die your are dead and even science says there is no coming back so therefore life cant come from nothing.It had to be CrEATED

As you are keen on logic perhaps you should think look up arguments from incredulity. The towering ignorance and arrogance of the theist to posit a god because they refuse to believe manifest facts about reality, my favorite example was Bishop Hugh Montefiore who received a slapping from Dawkins...funny stuff:

Dawkins criticises Bishop Hugh Montefiore for again and again resorting to the argument that he just cannot believe that this or that complex organ or organism could possibly have evolved.

For instance, Dawkins quotes Montefiore saying this:

"As for camouflage, this is not always easily explicable on neo-Darwinian premises. If polar bears are dominant in the Arctic, then there would seem to have been no need for them to evolve a white-coloured form of camouflage".

This, says Dawkins, should be translated thus:

"I personally, off the top of my head sitting in my study, never having visited the Arctic, never having seen a polar bear in the wild, and having been educated in classical literature and theology, have not so far managed to think of a reason why polar bears might benefit from being white".