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RE: Dawkins explains why he wont debate William Lane Craig
June 17, 2015 at 10:09 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 8:57 pm)Cephus Wrote: I would never debate Craig for the same reason I'd never debate Ken Ham. He's already said that there is absolutely nothing that anyone could ever say, no amount of evidence that anyone could provide, that could ever convince him that he was wrong. That makes the whole idea of a debate pointless.
That is the exact same reason I would never climb up on a stage in front of hundreds, facing my fear of public speaking in order to try to dumb down a point so far that even an imbecile can understand.
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RE: Dawkins explains why he wont debate William Lane Craig
June 19, 2015 at 11:19 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 10:09 pm)whateverist Wrote: (June 17, 2015 at 8:57 pm)Cephus Wrote: I would never debate Craig for the same reason I'd never debate Ken Ham. He's already said that there is absolutely nothing that anyone could ever say, no amount of evidence that anyone could provide, that could ever convince him that he was wrong. That makes the whole idea of a debate pointless.
That is the exact same reason I would never climb up on a stage in front of hundreds, facing my fear of public speaking in order to try to dumb down a point so far that even an imbecile can understand.
Oh yeah, now die zombie thread something, something ..
Isn't Dawkins equally disingenuous? Is he truly going to listen to WLC and reason on what he is saying? Or even when atheist say that if they knew god existed they still wouldn't worship them. Its a point of principle nothing else. Hypothetical questions are only good for that
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RE: Dawkins explains why he wont debate William Lane Craig
June 20, 2015 at 2:39 am
So you're admitting WLC et al are disingenuous?
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RE: Dawkins explains why he wont debate William Lane Craig
June 20, 2015 at 2:41 am
(June 19, 2015 at 11:19 pm)Won2blv Wrote: (June 17, 2015 at 10:09 pm)whateverist Wrote: That is the exact same reason I would never climb up on a stage in front of hundreds, facing my fear of public speaking in order to try to dumb down a point so far that even an imbecile can understand.
Oh yeah, now die zombie thread something, something ..
Isn't Dawkins equally disingenuous? Is he truly going to listen to WLC and reason on what he is saying? Or even when atheist say that if they knew god existed they still wouldn't worship them. Its a point of principle nothing else. Hypothetical questions are only good for that
Maybe he did it once, but doesn't feel like it any more because he found the first time he tried that WLC is not arguing in good faith... I tried really listening to his arguments in a debate against hitchens or whomever, and I couldn't take more than half an hour of his lies and distortions.
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RE: Dawkins explains why he wont debate William Lane Craig
June 20, 2015 at 2:48 am
(This post was last modified: June 20, 2015 at 2:52 am by robvalue.)
If I debated WLC or one of his mates, I'd make a series of cards with all the logical fallacies and dishonest techniques written on them. As he fires off his spiel, I'd hold them up as he went so viewers could identify all the flaws as they were happening and analyse exactly why they are flaws when they watch it back. Whaddya say Bill?
One of my friends told me about this guy he was impressed with who defended Christianity. I was sceptical of course, but I checked him out. Before the guy even got to his own arguments, I heard about 6-10 logical fallacies in his pre amble as he attempted to smear his opponent. My friend is an atheist and I'm not trying to say he is stupid, he is simply unfamiliar with this kind of debate and analysing logic in this way. If you're wondering, the guy was Hitchins' brother.
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RE: Dawkins explains why he wont debate William Lane Craig
June 20, 2015 at 3:48 am
All I will say is that the Muhammadan version of William Lane-Craig is way worse. William has several clones and it's really disheartening. You get these people who get paid to go around the world to lie to people.
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RE: Dawkins explains why he wont debate William Lane Craig
June 20, 2015 at 6:43 am
I'm not surprised Dawkins is refusing to debate though. His last outing didn't go so well:
http://youtu.be/mM0LLAlgPnc
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RE: Dawkins explains why he wont debate William Lane Craig
June 20, 2015 at 4:56 pm
(June 20, 2015 at 2:39 am)robvalue Wrote: So you're admitting WLC et al are disingenuous?
I am saying that if you put a level of burden on another party you should accept the same burden on yourself. Dawkins uses many logical fallacies as well.
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RE: Dawkins explains why he wont debate William Lane Craig
June 20, 2015 at 5:19 pm
(June 20, 2015 at 4:56 pm)Won2blv Wrote: (June 20, 2015 at 2:39 am)robvalue Wrote: So you're admitting WLC et al are disingenuous?
I am saying that if you put a level of burden on another party you should accept the same burden on yourself. Dawkins uses many logical fallacies as well.
This should be interesting ...
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RE: Dawkins explains why he wont debate William Lane Craig
June 20, 2015 at 5:58 pm
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(June 20, 2015 at 4:56 pm)Won2blv Wrote: I am saying that if you put a level of burden on another party you should accept the same burden on yourself. Dawkins uses many logical fallacies as well.
I call BS.
Examples, please.
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