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Who has killed more - Satan or God?
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God does.
..and as the book of Job clearly explains, the Devil is not allowed to hurt anyone without gods permission. So everyone the Devil hurts is also a notch for God as well.  (November 5, 2011 at 12:24 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Hey Blam Um, LOL. Shouldn't god's laws be timeless? And unchangeable? He does after all know everything. Unless you are suggesting that god has moved with the times and would now agree that killing gays is unacceptable? All this learning for god in the last few years and nothing changed for the previous 4 and a half billion? Wow. I keep on coming back to the conclusion that god (who is made up) is who you want him to be, not a being that just is.   (November 6, 2011 at 12:32 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: God does. If satan had such free range he would kill everyone, God keeps him under control in this area.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 Quote:God keeps him under control in this area. So your fictional good guy keeps your fictional bad guy under control? Sounds like Batman v The Penguin. RE: Who has killed more - Satan or God?
November 15, 2011 at 9:31 am
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2011 at 9:34 am by The Grand Nudger.)
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God's kill count...
The killing goes on, Part 2...
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
 (November 5, 2011 at 5:00 am)fr0d0 Wrote: 1. Killing isn't bad. Murder is bad. God murdered no one. That is one of the most ridiculous statements from you yet. mur·der noun \ˈmər-dər\
With premeditated malice, god bruatally murdered babies, i.e., intentionally drowned them for no reason than to kill. Kill, kill, kill! Kill 'em all! Because I am a just and merciful god that could not come up with a better solution than to drown babies.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy RE: Who has killed more - Satan or God?
November 19, 2011 at 10:41 am
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2011 at 10:44 am by Norfolk And Chance.)
He'll get you on "unlawful"
God = lawful because god is perfect, so it wasn't murder being lawful, it was "killing". You just can't escape that circular argument without having to point out once again, that god needs to be real for that argument to apply. But if he isn't real he hasn't committed those murders. So the entire "god murdered so many" argument relies on the atheist to assume god is real for the sake of debate and this plays straight into the theistic hands, because they apply god's attributes to the argument knowing you can't really dismiss his attributes if you accept even hypothetically that he is real. You can though complain bitterly that if it is real and even if god from a theistic viewpoint is lawful and killing justifiably, that you think he is a stone age tyrant who you would never want to follow. And it all then descends back down to square one - the atheist will eventually say that he doesn't believe god is real so the argument is bunk anyway, and the theist will say he's real We might as well just say "yes he is, no he isn't" and nothing else for the rest of our lives because that is THE only point that matters. And at least we'd be right.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
Perhaps, but "To kill brutally or inhumanly" addresses the situation just fine. Drowning is a brutal way to kill and as god is not human, it killed "brutally and inhumanly". The reason was the "sinning" of mankind, which would make an argument, but the babies were unable to sin so they were "unjustly" killed in a brutal fashion. The bible god committed "murder".
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy |
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