On Catholicism!

[Giff]

Fr0d0 it is a christian religion. I mean it's ridicious to even discuss it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholcism

[fr0d0]

You didn't read my post then Giff?

[Giff]

I may have missunderstod you Fr0d0.

So then everyone agree that catholocism is a part of christian religion?

[fr0d0]

Yes, but most Catholics aren't Christians, for the reasons stated above, and a lot of Catholic beliefs fall outside of accepted Christian belief. You shouldn't confuse them to be identical, as they're not.

[Giff]

Now I don't follow you Fr0d0.

Catolicism is a part of christianiy, but most chatolics aren't christians even though they are part of it? What you mean with that.

There are alot of diffrent christian beliefs but all of them see themselves as christians. Which also catholics do even do they primary may refer themselves as catholics.

What I've heared from a priest that I know is christianity very abstract and you can interputate it as you wish. This make religion acctually more pointless then it allready is. But that what atleast he thinks about christianity.

[fr0d0]

Christianity is very strictly defined and although open to interpretation, not widely so. There are checks in place.

If you're a Catholic yet have no personal relationship with God, only one via something else, like a priest, then you aren't a Christian.

Like I said above, where Catholicism goes against Christ's teachings it isn't Christian.

[Giff]

Christianity is very strictly defined and although open to interpretation, not widely so. There are checks in place.

If you're a Catholic yet have no personal relationship with God, only one via something else, like a priest, then you aren't a Christian.

Like I said above, where Catholicism goes against Christ's teachings it isn't Christian.

But why does protestanism, lutheran and such, being conicered as christian?

[fr0d0]

But why does protestanism, lutheran and such, being conicered as christian?

They all agree to a definition set out in a particular Nicene creed. The Catholic Church does also.

Catholicism adhering to non Christian beliefs and practices can't be considered Christian. Where it doesn't fall down, it's accepted.

[LukeMC]

So are catholics part-time christians?

[Kyuuketsuki]

I didn't vote as you didn't have category for "who gives a fuck?"

Your wish, Sir, is my command

Me? Oh, ex-Catholic.

I presume you believed you were Christian when you were one too?

Kyu

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Frodo,

Seems to me that other Christian cults don't like Catholics because the latter claim some divine link to god, some kind of direct telephone line via the pope to the man himself, and because they were the first Christian church from which all the others appear to have sprung.

I get the very strong feeling there's a huge amount of resentment there between the various cults and that really it's all just an extension of the fact that each and every one of the silly sodding cults believes they are in some way more chosen than all the others ... that is why I say that the objective view of the atheist is more valid here, because we just look at them with the same cool, clinical POV and say, "Nope, all the same!" That and the fact that no one likes the group that claim to be founders of the whole silly sodding belief system in the first place.

You seem to be implying that I and others haven't thought about this but we have (I know I have); I've been debating various wingnuts for nearly 15 years now and this claim has come up frequently, that Catholics are anything from "not real Christian" (as you seem to) to utter evil (I mean I've even heard some whack-job claim the pope has 666 on his clothing ... I mean even if they were "evil" you'd credit them with more fucking brains than that) and I can only say that everything you say in an attempt to somehow differentiate your own cult views from those of Catholicism are (just like all the rest of the nut-jobs) nothing more than a form of special pleading.

Kyu