God should bow to man for we are better parents than he is.

[Greatest I am]

God should bow to man for we are better parents than he is.

The tree of knowledge.
Two things. Do you value your moral sense?
Would you give it up along with most of what you know since most is subject to being good or evil?

Why do you think A & E would value it any less than yourself?

Life without morals is not worth living so we must thank Eve, then Adam, for making the right choice.

The tree of life.
As to living forever. If you just created children and were going to raise them and teach them what to eat or not, what tree would you first feed them?

If bright, I will assume you made the right choice. The tree of life. The most important tree.

Then that brings up the uncomfortable question of why God chose to feed them something else first. His decision and your brighter one are in opposition. You chose the moral and intelligent decision while God did not.

You make a better parent than God. Even if we ignore his preventing A & E from reaching what would save them. The tree of life. I call that murder.

Take a bow and have God bow to you.

If you do not agree that man is a better parent, then you are not much of a thinker and you should question your morals.

Regards
DL

[ChristianT]

A couple things faulty with your thoughts...

1) God didn't feed them the tree of knowledge of morals. He gave them every other fruit except the remaining two. They had a chance themselves to eat the eternal life fruit. God never said anything about not eating from it. But a+e chose to be deceived into eating the fruit of knowledge of morals.

2) if they had no previous knowledge of morals, how could they value what they know not?

3) just because I don't agree that man is a better parent doesn't mean I'm not a thinker, it just means I'm not an errant thinker.

[Zen Badger]

A couple things faulty with your thoughts...

1) God didn't feed them the tree of knowledge of morals. He gave them every other fruit except the remaining two. They had a chance themselves to eat the eternal life fruit. God never said anything about not eating from it. But a+e chose to be deceived into eating the fruit of knowledge of morals.

2) if they had no previous knowledge of morals, how could they value what they know not?

3) just because I don't agree that man is a better parent doesn't mean I'm not a thinker, it just means I'm not an errant thinker.

You do know it's not real, right?

Just checking....

[Erinome]

A couple things faulty with your thoughts...

1) God didn't feed them the tree of knowledge of morals. He gave them every other fruit except the remaining two. They had a chance themselves to eat the eternal life fruit. God never said anything about not eating from it. But a+e chose to be deceived into eating the fruit of knowledge of morals.

Except you're wrong.

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die.

2) if they had no previous knowledge of morals, how could they value what they know not?

Which would lead to the very human reaction of curiosity. What good father would tempt his children with something so intriguing and deadly? What kind of fucked up shitbrick is this god?

3) just because I don't agree that man is a better parent doesn't mean I'm not a thinker, it just means I'm not an errant thinker.

Maybe if you were among idiots who bought the same bullshit you do, sweetie, but we don't buy that bullshit here. The fact that you don't think humans are better parents than a god (who basically put a loaded gun in his child's hand and warned them not to pull the trigger just to make sure that their listening ears were on) means that you're grotesquely immoral.

[ChristianT]

A couple things faulty with your thoughts...

1) God didn't feed them the tree of knowledge of morals. He gave them every other fruit except the remaining two. They had a chance themselves to eat the eternal life fruit. God never said anything about not eating from it. But a+e chose to be deceived into eating the fruit of knowledge of morals.

Except you're wrong.

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die.

2) if they had no previous knowledge of morals, how could they value what they know not?

Which would lead to the very human reaction of curiosity. What good father would tempt his children with something so intriguing and deadly? What kind of fucked up shitbrick is this god?

3) just because I don't agree that man is a better parent doesn't mean I'm not a thinker, it just means I'm not an errant thinker.

A) Maybe if you were among idiots who bought the same bullshit you do, sweetie, but we don't buy that bullshit here. The fact that you don't think humans are better parents than a god (who basically put a loaded gun in his child's hand and warned them not to pull the trigger just to make sure that their listening ears were on) means that you're grotesquely immoral.

A) ok, assuming G-d doesn't exist (your assumption), what is morality? what is it made of? carbonucleic acid? or how much electric energy does it's impulse have? please scientifically prove that thoughts and opinions are material made of atoms or energy.

[Epimethean]

It is a subjectively interpreted social construct, CT, engineered and engineered by the interactions of humans, mimetically transferred between people. Get over it being from some supernatural source that somehow got writ in a book by reliable narrators. Please stop asking for evidence until you have any to support your contention that objective morality exists.

[LastPoet]

A) ok, assuming G-d doesn't exist (your assumption), what is morality?

Its the most reasonable position, something yet to be proven doesn't exist for all practical purposes. The same way you 'assume' that Zeus, Odin, and lord Krishna doesn't exist. You are atheist regarding all other gods, we just extend that notion 1 more god than you. Morality is a set of rules, that along lessons of history, have proven to be beneficial to our species. I don't murder, rape or steal from people because if everyone did it, our species wouldn't come this far. Besides, you should read your bible, there is in there the same amount of moral and immoral things.

what is it made of? carbonucleic acid? or how much electric energy does it's impulse have? please scientifically prove that thoughts and opinions are material made of atoms or energy.

Its made by the conjunction of electrical impulses and chemical neurotransmitters, please visit a library to learn more, or google it, if you truly want to learn, go at it, we have many evidence of emotions and feelings being mapped to different brain regions. We live in a material world, all that we know is made of matter and/or energy. Granted that we still don't know everything, and its fine to just say "I don't know", but what you're doing is an argument from ignorance, with the normal theist dishonesty of shifting the burden of proof. Its YOU that have to prove that there is something else beyond matter or energy, since you're the one making the claim.

Honestly, you are just rehashing the same old BS new theists here bring here. Do yourself a favour, study hard and from honest sources, not from Xtian snake-oil salesmen websites. On emotions particularly read "Descarte's Error", by the famous neurologist António Damásio.

[Greatest I am]

A couple things faulty with your thoughts...

1) God didn't feed them the tree of knowledge of morals. He gave them every other fruit except the remaining two. They had a chance themselves to eat the eternal life fruit. God never said anything about not eating from it. But a+e chose to be deceived into eating the fruit of knowledge of morals.

2) if they had no previous knowledge of morals, how could they value what they know not?

Scripture tell us why they chose to eat, but to your reply.

If as you say, they had no moral basis for their actions, no evil intent, then God had no right to punish them did he?
They could not know that disobeying was wrong.
Right?

Would you punish your child for something that he did while not knowing he should not?

3) just because I don't agree that man is a better parent doesn't mean I'm not a thinker, it just means I'm not an errant thinker.

If so then let's see if you would do as your God did.
That is, allow his children to die when he had the means to save them.

Would you save them or kill them by denying them the tree of life??

Regards
DL

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ok, assuming G-d doesn't exist (your assumption), what is morality? what is it made of? carbonucleic acid? or how much electric energy does it's impulse have? please scientifically prove that thoughts and opinions are material made of atoms or energy.

Really... Really??

Morality is the differentiation among intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good (or right) and bad (or wrong).

The explicit making of moral right and wrong judgments coincides with activation in the ventromedial prefrontal cortex while intuitive reactions to situations containing implicit moral issues activates the temporoparietal junction area.[19] Stimulation of the ventromedial prefrontal cortex by transcranial magnetic stimulation has been shown to change moral judgments of human subjects.

Emotion is a complex psycho-physiological experience of an individual's state of mind as interacting with biochemical (internal) and environmental (external) influences.

Around two dozen of the 94 naturally-occurring chemical elements are essential to various kinds of biological life.

If you would care to read any of this.

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Based on discoveries made through neural mapping of the limbic system, the neurobiological explanation of human emotion is that emotion is a pleasant or unpleasant mental state organized in the limbic system of the mammalian brain. If distinguished from reactive responses of reptiles, emotions would then be mammalian elaborations of general vertebrate arousal patterns, in which neurochemicals (for example, dopamine, noradrenaline, and serotonin) step-up or step-down the brain's activity level, as visible in body movements, gestures, and postures.

For example, the emotion of love is proposed to be the expression of paleocircuits of the mammalian brain (specifically, modules of the cingulate gyrus) which facilitate the care, feeding, and grooming of offspring. Paleocircuits are neural platforms for bodily expression configured before the advent of cortical circuits for speech. They consist of pre-configured pathways or networks of nerve cells in the forebrain, brain stem and spinal cord.

The motor centers of reptiles react to sensory cues of vision, sound, touch, chemical, gravity, and motion with pre-set body movements and programmed postures. With the arrival of night-active mammals, smell replaced vision as the dominant sense, and a different way of responding arose from the olfactory sense, which is proposed to have developed into mammalian emotion and emotional memory. The mammalian brain invested heavily in olfaction to succeed at night as reptiles slept—one explanation for why olfactory lobes in mammalian brains are proportionally larger than in the reptiles. These odor pathways gradually formed the neural blueprint for what was later to become our limbic brain.

Emotions are thought to be related to certain activities in brain areas that direct our attention, motivate our behavior, and determine the significance of what is going on around us. Pioneering work by Broca (1878), Papez (1937), and MacLean (1952) suggested that emotion is related to a group of structures in the center of the brain called the limbic system, which includes the hypothalamus, cingulate cortex, hippocampi, and other structures. More recent research has shown that some of these limbic structures are not as directly related to emotion as others are, while some non-limbic structures have been found to be of greater emotional relevance.

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what is it made of? carbonucleic acid?

No, just six elements—carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, calcium, and phosphorus.

Or you could just ignore all of these scientific studies and findings and say Godidit.

[Greatest I am]

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Regards
DL