UK STRIKE DAY 30TH NOVEMBER

[kılıç_mehmet]

However, I think I've spoken with a few british people in krautchan's /int/, and they were generally not very okay with this general strike.

because many are single minded selfish douches who do not have the first clue about the public sector and probably think they earn big bucks because the Telegraph or Mail ahs had stories about top PS chiefs earning 200k, so those retards think everyone else does. Most people are against it because it probably means they will be late for work or theye'll have to look after their kids for the day, like i will, so fucking what, 1 day with my eldest kid or let millions get fucked by a government that instantly lowered taxes companies, let off multinationals from paying tax bills, despite them already having the money ready and stopping the banker bonus tax. But great lets fuck real people and let logos and numbers keep their money. Fuck real, existing things.

They say that the public workers are not working enough to earn so many privilages.
However losing earned privilages brings out a dilemma for the people who enjoyed it.

They are wrong, they take less pay then private sector and in return get good benefits. You'll meet exactly zero school teachers with and Aston Martin or a Ferrari, i know several recruitment consultants with them and their job is fucking pointless.

I know i keep banging on about teachers but i know a few and they have far less than me, the only way they do better is via pensions. And all of them are far better educated them me.

Don't worry, I know exactly what you mean. Although my mother works in a quite well paid position in the public sector and all, I know many people who do not. They do not get really much of a good pay, however they get some extra benefits that doesn't really make up for everything, but hey, it's a permanent job, and you won't get yourself fired unless you break the rules and all...

[Tiberius]

I'm not " socially progressive " ...they are your words and worth fuck all to me. I'm a Socialist..I repeat cause you're a bit slow, a Socialist.

...and you're not doing socialism any favours by turning it into an (even more) oppressive ideology, bordering on fascist.

Now get your arse out on Wednesday in support of the strike, you tosser!

No thanks. I have a lot of people who depend on the work I do. Matter of fact, so do all those people who are striking, but the last thing they'd want is to be selfless, not when they get to skip a day of work, right?

[reverendjeremiah]

I'm commenting on my personal choice, nothing more. So please retract your statement that I'm advocating the "death and destitution" of children. Not only is it wrong, it's downright insulting, and a savage reminder of a time not so long ago when you compared myself and theVOID to nazis. I thought that was all behind us now, or should I have been less forgiving?

Says the person who has demonized Bozo...

... and I still see that you are still doing so.

"bordering on Fascist"? Might as well call him a nazi, which is typically what people think of when the word "fascist" is thrown around.

If you apologize to bozo, then I will apologize to you.

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No, on second thought, I take that back. I will not apologize.

#1 - my original apology was for calling you a Nazi. I now know the difference between Nazi's and right libs. Trying to equate my post to that was low and slick. you almost got me.. I had to think aboout it...yeah, you were being slick.
#2 - By suggesting that pensions be placed into private institutions is defacto asking that the capitalist system be adhered to 100%. Capitalism doesnt make everyone winners. It makes a small hand full of people MAJOR winners, and makes a huge majority losers. So yes, I am correct by saying you advocate bad tidings upon other families...and I will explain why in ..
#3 - I suggest that every citizen be given an equal share of the pie. Therefore the child makes as much as the electrician. In no way can anyone suggest that I am for people losing their health and well being, in that I support an equal outcome for everyone. You, on the other hand, do NOT support an equal outcome for everyone, which means you agree that losers must inherently exist in the system.

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So, in conclusion, never once have I called you or even suggested that you were a Nazi in this post. I merely pointed out that the system you support would ultimately lead to unhealth and death of many people, including children.

You, Adrian, on the other hand, had no problem suggesting that Bozo (a left wing socialist more on my side of the political spectrum) was "bordering on fascist".

[bozo]

I'm not " socially progressive " ...they are your words and worth fuck all to me. I'm a Socialist..I repeat cause you're a bit slow, a Socialist.

...and you're not doing socialism any favours by turning it into an (even more) oppressive ideology, bordering on fascist.

Now get your arse out on Wednesday in support of the strike, you tosser!

No thanks. I have a lot of people who depend on the work I do. Matter of fact, so do all those people who are striking, but the last thing they'd want is to be selfless, not when they get to skip a day of work, right?

OK arsehole, I don't care what you call me, I'll return in kind.
You are no more an expert on Socialism than you are on anything else...you just think you know everything.

Boy what an ego you've got! So the strikers' lives will be ruined if you don't turn up for work for one day! What exactly is your job and why are you so important?

[Tiberius]

Says the person who has demonized Bozo...

... and I still see that you are still doing so.

"bordering on Fascist"? Might as well call him a nazi, which is typically what people think of when the word "fascist" is thrown around.

If you apologize to bozo, then I will apologize to you.

Firstly, "bordering on fascist" =/= fascist. I was commenting on the fact that over the last 3 years (which is how long I've known him here), he has become increasingly authoritarian. Instead of debating opinions, he comes right out and calls people racists if they do anything that is seen to be "un-PC", despite the fact that a racist can't be defined in those terms.

Look at the amount of times he's attacked me in this thread, just for voicing my opinion. He's claimed I live in a "bubble", that I'm "barking mad", and then when I comment on his lack of a sense of humour, he comes all out attacking me yet again. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: bozo is perfectly fine with controlling other people's minds; in fact, he's perfectly fine with the government doing it. Freedom of expression and freedom of speech are parts of the "left" that bozo ultimately rejects, favouring authoritarian control over what we can say.

#1 - my original apology was for calling you a Nazi. I now know the difference between Nazi's and right libs. Trying to equate my post to that was low and slick. you almost got me.. I had to think aboout it...yeah, you were being slick.

I didn't equate the two; I said your post reminded me of that time. Calling me a Nazi was much worse, I'll grant you that, but you still maintain that I "advocate the death and destitution of many millions of families and children". This is a lie, it is insulting, and it is sick. I've done no such thing; if anything, I've said I want people to be in control of their own futures. I'm not advocating that everyone trust savings; it's their personal choice if they do, and their personal responsibility if their plan fails.

#2 - By suggesting that pensions be placed into private institutions is defacto asking that the capitalist system be adhered to 100%. Capitalism doesnt make everyone winners. It makes a small hand full of people MAJOR winners, and makes a huge majority losers. So yes, I am correct by saying you advocate bad tidings upon other families...and I will explain why in ..

Yet I didn't say that. I commented on what I was doing. This was 100% about my own decision, and 0% about policy.

#3 - I suggest that every citizen be given an equal share of the pie. Therefore the child makes as much as the electrician. In no way can anyone suggest that I am for people losing their health and well being, in that I support an equal outcome for everyone. You, on the other hand, do NOT support an equal outcome for everyone, which means you agree that losers must inherently exist in the system.

This is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. I do support an equal outcome, but for everyone who puts something into the system. I don't support slackers "winning" for doing nothing.

So, in conclusion, never once have I called you or even suggested that you were a Nazi in this post. I merely pointed out that the system you support would ultimately lead to unhealth and death of many people, including children.

I never said you called me a Nazi, I said it "reminded me" of a time when you did. If you can't see the similarities between saying someone is "advocat[ing] the death and destitution of many millions of families and children" and calling someone a Nazi, then you really need to re-read history. Even if the Nazi's hadn't killed countless families and children, or force them into poverty, it's still a horrible thing to accuse someone of.

You, Adrian, on the other hand, had no problem suggesting that Bozo (a left wing socialist more on my side of the political spectrum) was "bordering on fascist".

Yes, because censorship or freedom of speech / expression is a step towards fascism. I actually have evidence to back up my assertion, and I will not apologise for it. I didn't call him a fascist; I think that would be a step too far (at the moment). What he is, based on the 3 years I've known him, is an authoritarian, bordering on fascist, defender of censorship and the inequality of ideas.

OK arsehole, I don't care what you call me, I'll return in kind.
You are no more an expert on Socialism than you are on anything else...you just think you know everything.

No, I don't think I know everything. I do know that socialism is a left-wing ideology, and one of the social tenets of the left-wing is freedom of speech. This is what you are against, even though most socialists I've known are 100% for it. Thus, you are turning socialism (the socialism you espouse) into an authoritarian ideology.

Boy what an ego you've got! So the strikers' lives will be ruined if you don't turn up for work for one day! What exactly is your job and why are you so important?

No, I didn't say the strikers' lives would be ruined if I didn't turn up to work for one day. I just know that a lot of people (my company, our clients, etc) depend on the work I do. If they didn't, I wouldn't have a job. Nobody in a company should be expendable; everyone is important in some way. I carry out research into things we can add to our products, and I do destructive testing on our new application, so that we can be one step ahead of hackers who seek to break into our clients' systems.

I have a sense of duty, that is simply not shared by those striking. They care more about themselves than they do about the clients they serve. In some cases, I'm sure that kind of behaviour would be ignored, but in this case, some of the "clients" are children, who need a decent education in order to go out and enjoy life properly. Why are they being ignored?

[fr0d0]

I have a sense of duty, that is simply not shared by those striking. They care more about themselves than they do about the clients they serve. In some cases, I'm sure that kind of behaviour would be ignored, but in this case, some of the "clients" are children, who need a decent education in order to go out and enjoy life properly. Why are they being ignored?

I'm generally with you in this thread Adrian, but I'm not on board with this comment.

Union members were invited to participate in a democratic ballot and there was a sufficient majory that voted to take action as set out in law.

It is now beholdent on all union members to comply with the descision of the democratic vote.

Plans are in place to prevent harm by running essential cover as has been identified in thorough risk assessment.

So any action will be far from 'selfish' and I'm dissapointed that you could think it might be.

All people have the potential to act selfishly, and greed being the greater motivator, you might guess my position on that.

[Tiberius]

Democratically decided selfishness is still selfishness in my view, so is selfishness that is protected under the law. I'd like to know what plans are in place to "prevent harm". As far as I am aware, the reports in the new suggest that many schools are closing, which means many parents will either have to (a) skip work to look after them, which will hurt the private sector, or (b) hire someone to look after their children, which will hurt them financially. Will the students get an extra day of school this year? I've seen no plans for that to happen.

Indeed, the figures quoted by the numerous newspapers put the strike at a total cost of £500 million to the economy. Not only that, but bozo is demanding that private sector workers skip work to support the strike (at least, he tried to get me to do it). This is either selfish behaviour, or it is anti-economic behaviour (or both). I'm not supporting the strike because I don't believe strikes are the best way to negotiate anything; in fact, all they generally do is cost a lot of money, and piss everyone off. I also find striking an invasive mechanism into the free market, since it is a legal way for workers to skip work and not get punished by their employers. If one person slacks off, they get fired. If a group of people slack off, they get protected by government. Ridiculous.

[reverendjeremiah]

"bordering on fascist" =/= fascist.

Me, you and bozo are nowhere near bordering on fascism. Me and bozo share NOTHING in common with fascism, which is median to right wing extreme authoritarianism. right wing libertarians only share some right wing aspects that fascists agree with, but oppose their authoritarianism. this is what was confussing me before, but now I have corrected it.
In other words, me and bozo are diametrically opposed to the concept of fascism. we are the complete opposite of fascists.
As far as "all the times he has attacked me", I just dont see it. I have, on the other hand, seen you openly attack him on this thread.

I didn't equate the two; I said your post reminded me of that time. Calling me a Nazi was much worse, I'll grant you that, but you still maintain that I "advocate the death and destitution of many millions of families and children". This is a lie, it is insulting, and it is sick. I've done no such thing; if anything, I've said I want people to be in control of their own futures. I'm not advocating that everyone trust savings; it's their personal choice if they do, and their personal responsibility if their plan fails.

so then you support socialistic methods to ensure that everyone eats and has good healthcare regardless of social status and monetary gain. If so, then that doesnt make you right wing libertarian, nor does it make you anarcho-capitalist. It makes you more on the line that me and Bozo are on. So which one is it? Do you support capitalism, or do you support socialism? supporting capitalism means you expect losers to exist, and just like the recent GOP candidate discussions, you would applaud the idea of the man dying that could not afford healthcare. Socialists dispise this idea, and therefore want universal healthcare so that children and families will not die.
So which one is it..are you socialist or capitalist?

Yet I didn't say that. I commented on what I was doing. This was 100% about my own decision, and 0% about policy.

You didnt? So you want people to decide wether they want a socialist state, just as long as you can "opt out"? That makes zero sense, and sounds more like privatised health insurance as opposed to universal health. So you want other children to have free healthcare, but you dont want to pay for it? Yet that somehow makes you in support of healthcare for poor children and families? You are making ZERO sense and sound more like you are back peddling to me.

This is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. I do support an equal outcome, but for everyone who puts something into the system. I don't support slackers "winning" for doing nothing.

Wait. So If I flip burgers, and you create security software, then you think I should get the same outcome as you? Same pay? Same benefits? If so, how is that capitalism? How is that right wing libertarianism? What you described is what me and bozo advocate.

Yes, because censorship or freedom of speech / expression is a step towards fascism. I actually have evidence to back up my assertion, and I will not apologise for it. I didn't call him a fascist; I think that would be a step too far (at the moment). What he is, based on the 3 years I've known him, is an authoritarian, bordering on fascist, defender of censorship and the inequality of ideas.

Bozo censored you? How? When? Where?
Bozo defends inequality, borders fascism, and defends censorship? That isnt Bozo. Me and him have had many PM's and I can honestly say he is NOT what you suggest he is.

I have a sense of duty, that is simply not shared by those striking. They care more about themselves than they do about the clients they serve. In some cases, I'm sure that kind of behaviour would be ignored, but in this case, some of the "clients" are children, who need a decent education in order to go out and enjoy life properly. Why are they being ignored?

Oh, I get it. Look at Adrian beat his chest. adrian is so much more better than those out there fighting for a better life. Of course, those who are fighting for a better life do not have the same sense of duty that Adrian has. Or do they have NO sense of duty Adrian? So everytime I went on strike, I was merely loafing around, skipping work and shirking my sense of duty while Adrian held his head high and kept letting the system ram a dry one into him. This one quote you posted speaks VOLUMES of your naivety and ignorance of labor history Adrian. If you had of done something like this on a job I was on, I would have ganged up with quite a few other brothers and ran your ass off on a rail.
There is also a name for people who refuse to strike and talk the way you do in my circles. "A scab". Do whatever you can to protect your employer from being hurt Adrian. Im sure they will eventually reward you for it...hopefully...and when you see everyone who tried to fight for YOUR and their rights get walked off the job, you can rub your hands together thinking of how quick you can move up the ladder.

[Violet]

So which one is it..are you socialist or capitalist?

There is a middle ground (eg: centrist). It seems to me that he appreciates conjoining capitalism and socialism into a system that shares some of the strengths (and some of the weaknesses) of both. But I'll not stick words in his mouth.

Just wish that there was less self-righteousness on each side... everyone here needs an attitude adjustment, so I have provided pictures of amusing cats for everyone.





















Now go back to arguing, and can the insults. All of you. Or I'll set more cat pictures on you.

[The Grand Nudger]

Not get punished by their employers? Wtf? Employer as judge and provider of punishment? If the employers want to "punish" someone they can go right ahead and find someone else to do the job. What's that? It's a strike? Sounds like people have decided that the employer has no such authority or responsibility. If they want work done they can meet the demands of those offering the service. That's the free market too, isn't it? Now, I see the thread is heated, but you know I love you R. I just don't understand how a person offering a service setting the price or terms of that service is an intrusion into the free market when that person is an employee (but apparently, not when it's the employer and the roles are reversed). Is the market only free when the employer holds all the cards? To me, that kind of sounds like the opposite of free, sounds rigged.