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RE: Jesus "a story too improbable not to be true."
November 30, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Roger, completely retarded. Both narratives have souls, so it's kind of a wash on that count.
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RE: Jesus "a story too improbable not to be true."
November 30, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Oh my, I post this thread, leave for a short period and it has already expanded to 4 pages.
What appears disturbing is that 30,000 people together swallow this shit on the same day (I think Olsteen's church has 3 services to fit everyone in. I could be wrong about this). It's mass indoctrination....at least on the surface. Under the surface things are a bit different. I'm close enough location wise to know people who are members of that church. Consistently I see a dichotomy between what they say they believe and their behavior. It's like sucking but not swallowing. Other fundamentalists follow the pattern as well.
Still many other's are attending church for some reason known (or not known) only to them and are just going along with everything else because they really don't care. It's like opening a Ramen noodle package just for the flavor packet and throwing out everything else. Life is too stressful to give time to question too much.
I hung on for years and years (many of those years were so stressful it's amazing that I remembered to breathe). I thought that if I just hung on long enough I would finally find the answers to all my questions.....and I did, which is why I am an atheist (for those who don't know, I have been struggling with this label but it's getting easier to say as time goes by).
It would be interesting to break up lay Christian theology and then test Christians on what parts of the doctrine they actually believed in. Or did some sort of test that measured how much they believed in it. I.e. it's easy to say you believe in something but would you take action on the thing you say you believe in. Am I being kind by saying that I think that only the minority of Christians (perhaps 10 or 20 percent) both such and swallow the whole doctrine?
I have studied the Bible and the theology behind Christianity for many years. I have been to many churches. I have walked the depth and the breadth of the religion and, as a result of this, I have a lot of bullshit to scrape off the bottom of my shoes. ~Ziploc Surprise
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RE: Jesus "a story too improbable not to be true."
November 30, 2011 at 8:22 pm
In fact, no religious narrative ranks very high on the believability scale. I hang out a bit on another board where there is one xtian nut who thinks mormons are fucking stupid but his bullshit makes perfect sense.
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RE: Jesus "a story too improbable not to be true."
November 30, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Yeah especially those that go out on Saturday night and party like hell doing all the things that are agianst the FAITH and be the first ones in church on Sunday morning! I don't know, it must make them feel forgiven or something! To me its just another definition of hypocrite!
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RE: Jesus "a story too improbable not to be true."
November 30, 2011 at 9:13 pm
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RE: Jesus "a story too improbable not to be true."
November 30, 2011 at 9:19 pm
(November 30, 2011 at 8:57 pm)Happy UnBeliever Wrote: Yeah especially those that go out on Saturday night and party like hell doing all the things that are agianst the FAITH and be the first ones in church on Sunday morning! I don't know, it must make them feel forgiven or something! To me its just another definition of hypocrite!
My neighbor down the street took her child out of public school to protect him from the theory of evolution and secular history. She was one of those mouthy opinionated types with no brains whatsoever. A year or two later she had her second internet affair. She left her second husband, the product of her first internet affair, and ran off with this guy.
Another fundie friend of ours was a "Mrs. Robinson" so to speak. All the time we knew her she was addicted to prescription pain killers. She even stole a bottle of pain killers from us. Though the church tried to help her eventually she lost her children. Her husband got hooked on meth and they got a divorce.
Some of the hypocrisy is forgivable (but still sad). These aren't the mouthy types. They are more train wrecks then anything else. You hear their story and leave thankful that they are no longer in their abusive relationship and aren't drinking anymore (although many still can't maintain a relationship and are experiencing symptom substitutions like over eating). At the same time you see the damage that fundamentalism is causing. Often these people have completely fucked up finances. Many others have problems associated with not taking personal responsibility for things they ought to. Too often they just "let go and let god" as the saying goes. They hope for a miracle breakthrough that will never come instead of just working to fix their psychological problems or learning to handle their finances properly.
I have studied the Bible and the theology behind Christianity for many years. I have been to many churches. I have walked the depth and the breadth of the religion and, as a result of this, I have a lot of bullshit to scrape off the bottom of my shoes. ~Ziploc Surprise
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RE: Jesus "a story too improbable not to be true."
December 1, 2011 at 12:26 am
(November 28, 2011 at 5:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: How come we can't get xtians to admit that Joseph Smith and his mormon shit is also "too implausible not to be true?" Or mohammad and his islamic shit? Or David Koresh and his?
Why is it only their bullshit which meets the implausibility criteria?
Because the beauty of hypocrisy is that it's cloaked in self-righteousness and therefore takes on the appearance of undeniable truth.
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RE: Jesus "a story too improbable not to be true."
December 1, 2011 at 1:54 am
Lol, this is exactly what I would call "Christian logic".
"Sisters, you know only the north; I have traveled in the south lands. There are churches there, believe me, that cut their children too, as the people of Bolvangar did--not in the same way, but just as horribly. They cut their sexual organs, yes, both boys and girls; they cut them with knives so that they shan't feel. That is what the Church does, and every church is the same: control, destroy, obliterate every good feeling. So if a war comes, and the Church is on one side of it, we must be on the other, no matter what strange allies we find ourselves bound to."
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