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December 4, 2011 at 5:20 am (This post was last modified: December 4, 2011 at 5:21 am by Egor.)
(December 1, 2011 at 3:23 pm)Xavier Wrote: I just can't understand why people still believe in religion.
As young as 10 I can remember being forced to say prayers and sing hymns in school and even at that age thinking it was all a load of nonsense.
"At the age of three I looked to the stars and realized they were just burning hydrogen--no God."
Quote:I just don't get why so many people don't reach the point when they grow up of disbelief in Christian beliefs, given the lack of evidence. Its beyond irrational.
Lack of evidence? In what? The whole Western World is built on Christianity. Maybe you just don't have the intellectual capacity to read the Gospels and understand them. Maybe for you it's just all about being forced to pray at age 10. So, I'm sorry, who didn't grow up?
(December 1, 2011 at 3:45 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Another part is the unwillingness to give up the warm fuzzy blanket that gives their life purpose. Many people would rather just believe in god rather than try to discover any evidence for one. The fear of there being no father figure in the sky that micromanages their lives for the best possible outcome is too hard for some to face.
You know, as a Christian, I have spent my entire life trying to figure out what my purpose was, what I was created to do. It's been a source of great existential angst. At 47, I think I might have it figured out--I think. But an atheist just gets to give all that pressure up. They never have to live up to any purpose, because in a cold chaotic universe, there is no purpose.
(December 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm)Xavier Wrote: Evidently for a lot of people thats true.
But I just can't relate to that.
I never could believe in it, even when I tried to when I was a kid.
It all just seems ridiculous to me even as a child.
I can't force myself to believe something because I want to.
Then your sensory mind is stronger than your will. You believe only as you are stimulated to believe. Not very impressive really. Faith is actually a higher form of mental functioning.
Your 47 and as thick as an elephants shit. You clearly understand nothing about atheism and when you wrote that reading the gospels takes a higher intellectual capacity I just laughed.
The western world is not built apon Christianity you fool. Yet again you show your lack of intelligence. The Greeks and the Romans and the French and the British Empire and Christianity. Christianity kept us in the dark ages, it wasnt until intelligent men could breakthrough the bonds of religious bullshit in the enlightenment and age of reason that this 'western civilisation' could actually get anywhere.
'Faith is actually a higher form of mental functioning.'
Hahaha, very good, apparently now gullability is higher the logic and reason, nice one pops. You really are an idiot.
GC come back from Hawaii we nee your lesser insanity!
(December 4, 2011 at 5:20 am)Egor Wrote: Lack of evidence? In what? The whole Western World is built on Christianity. Maybe you just don't have the intellectual capacity to read the Gospels and understand them. Maybe for you it's just all about being forced to pray at age 10. So, I'm sorry, who didn't grow up?
The reason Christianity is the only European religion thats still widely practised its that its followers forced everyone throughout Europe to convert to Christianity and simply all murdered all those who refused to.
It was the most violent and destructive of all European religions.
Thats hardly a record any civilized person would rate as positive.
Having faith in something without any reasoning or evidence is simply being blind and gullible, not positive attritbutes either.
If the Christian god was real why would he hide his existence from everyone then punish all those who don't believe in him?
Theres no logic to that.
(December 4, 2011 at 5:20 am)Egor Wrote: Lack of evidence? In what?
Uh.... that would be for that deity you waste your time worshipping.
Quote:The whole Western World is built on Christianity.
Yes, because Christianity was at the forefront of reason, peaceful coexistence and scientific advancement.
Quote:Maybe you just don't have the intellectual capacity to read the Gospels and understand them.
Maybe you don't have the intellectual capacity to realize that the Gospels are total bullshit.
Quote:Maybe for you it's just all about being forced to pray at age 10.
Being forced to do anything at a young age (particularly nonsensical rituals) can cause rejection of that thing as the child matures.
Quote:So, I'm sorry, who didn't grow up?
I would say the person who clings to irrational, unsupported, unjustified and evidence-lacking beliefs is the one who hasn't grown up.
Quote:You know, as a Christian, I have spent my entire life trying to figure out what my purpose was, what I was created to do.
Your "purpose" is to live your life as best you can. You were created to reproduce and continue the species. Next question....
Quote:It's been a source of great existential angst.
You've spent your whole life anguishing about these questions and I just answered them for you.
You're welcome.
Quote:But an atheist just gets to give all that pressure up
Quite correct! When something bad happens to me, I don't wonder if I did something to anger a deity. I know that bad things just randomly happen in life. I also don't fret about ending up in a firepit for all eternity after I die. I know it's not a real place. So, while you're worrying about pleasing some deity, I'm happily going about my life enjoying myself.
Quote:They never have to live up to any purpose, because in a cold chaotic universe, there is no purpose.
Well, there's no "purpose" in the sense that some magical man in the sky put you here to perform some task. If this is true, what was the "purpose" of Adolf Hitler?
Quote:Faith is actually a higher form of mental functioning.
Swallowing as truth whatever crap is fed to you by someone wearing a robe and holding a "holy book" is "a higher form of mental functioning"?
No, it's not! Having faith is easy! It takes no thinking at all! It takes much more cognitive ability to say, "This doesn't make sense, what evidence do you have to support what you're telling me?"
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
December 5, 2011 at 10:46 am (This post was last modified: December 5, 2011 at 10:47 am by KichigaiNeko.)
(December 4, 2011 at 5:20 am)Egor Wrote:
(December 1, 2011 at 3:23 pm)Xavier Wrote: I just can't understand why people still believe in religion.
As young as 10 I can remember being forced to say prayers and sing hymns in school and even at that age thinking it was all a load of nonsense.
"At the age of three I looked to the stars and realized they were just burning hydrogen--no God."
Quote:I just don't get why so many people don't reach the point when they grow up of disbelief in Christian beliefs, given the lack of evidence. Its beyond irrational.
Lack of evidence? In what? The whole Western World is built on Christianity. Maybe you just don't have the intellectual capacity to read the Gospels and understand them. Maybe for you it's just all about being forced to pray at age 10. So, I'm sorry, who didn't grow up?
(December 1, 2011 at 3:45 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Another part is the unwillingness to give up the warm fuzzy blanket that gives their life purpose. Many people would rather just believe in god rather than try to discover any evidence for one. The fear of there being no father figure in the sky that micromanages their lives for the best possible outcome is too hard for some to face.
You know, as a Christian, I have spent my entire life trying to figure out what my purpose was, what I was created to do. It's been a source of great existential angst. At 47, I think I might have it figured out--I think. But an atheist just gets to give all that pressure up. They never have to live up to any purpose, because in a cold chaotic universe, there is no purpose.
(December 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm)Xavier Wrote: Evidently for a lot of people thats true.
But I just can't relate to that.
I never could believe in it, even when I tried to when I was a kid.
It all just seems ridiculous to me even as a child.
I can't force myself to believe something because I want to.
Then your sensory mind is stronger than your will. You believe only as you are stimulated to believe. Not very impressive really. Faith is actually a higher form of mental functioning.
Oh EEEEE gor
You are just soo ignorant...Or are you faking it? What education have you missed out on?
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
(December 4, 2011 at 3:00 pm)Thor Wrote: Your "purpose" is to live your life as best you can. You were created to reproduce and continue the species. Next question....
Oooh God! Don't encourage him!
~*~Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does ~*~
~*~Live a good life. If there are Gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are Gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no Gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones - Marcus Aurelius~*~
December 5, 2011 at 11:15 am (This post was last modified: December 5, 2011 at 11:16 am by Norfolk And Chance.)
(December 5, 2011 at 10:46 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:
(December 4, 2011 at 5:20 am)Egor Wrote:
(December 1, 2011 at 3:23 pm)Xavier Wrote: I just can't understand why people still believe in religion.
As young as 10 I can remember being forced to say prayers and sing hymns in school and even at that age thinking it was all a load of nonsense.
"At the age of three I looked to the stars and realized they were just burning hydrogen--no God."
Quote:I just don't get why so many people don't reach the point when they grow up of disbelief in Christian beliefs, given the lack of evidence. Its beyond irrational.
Lack of evidence? In what? The whole Western World is built on Christianity. Maybe you just don't have the intellectual capacity to read the Gospels and understand them. Maybe for you it's just all about being forced to pray at age 10. So, I'm sorry, who didn't grow up?
(December 1, 2011 at 3:45 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Another part is the unwillingness to give up the warm fuzzy blanket that gives their life purpose. Many people would rather just believe in god rather than try to discover any evidence for one. The fear of there being no father figure in the sky that micromanages their lives for the best possible outcome is too hard for some to face.
You know, as a Christian, I have spent my entire life trying to figure out what my purpose was, what I was created to do. It's been a source of great existential angst. At 47, I think I might have it figured out--I think. But an atheist just gets to give all that pressure up. They never have to live up to any purpose, because in a cold chaotic universe, there is no purpose.
(December 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm)Xavier Wrote: Evidently for a lot of people thats true.
But I just can't relate to that.
I never could believe in it, even when I tried to when I was a kid.
It all just seems ridiculous to me even as a child.
I can't force myself to believe something because I want to.
Then your sensory mind is stronger than your will. You believe only as you are stimulated to believe. Not very impressive really. Faith is actually a higher form of mental functioning.
Oh EEEEE gor
You are just soo ignorant...Or are you faking it? What education have you missed out on?
It all?
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
(December 4, 2011 at 3:00 pm)Thor Wrote: Your "purpose" is to live your life as best you can. You were created to reproduce and continue the species. Next question....
Oooh God! Don't encourage him!
:S Oh Dear...is EEEgor a well known Trollololololo?
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
"At the age of three I looked to the stars and realized they were just burning hydrogen--no God."
