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Seriously.
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(December 16, 2011 at 6:02 am)aleialoura Wrote: No, wrong, sorry. She paid that $4000 dollars. The government borrowed a little out of her fucking paycheck every week, and at the end of the year, she submits proof that she's poor enough to need it back.

Not in this case, Alei. She's poor enough that she has nothing deducted from her check - because even absent credits, she'd have no tax liability to either the IRS or state income tax authority.

The $4000 is mostly from the Earned Income credit, which is paid to wage earners that qualify. It doesn't offset taxes owed, it is literally an annual welfare payment (or wealth redistribution if you prefer).

Some people might have a problem with some of the money they pay in income taxes going to a single mother of 2 abandoned by her spouse, no real job skills, who can't afford child care, and is attending a vocational school at night so she can get out of the poverty she has found herself in. Personally, I don't have a problem with it, and I wouldn't even if she wasn't a friend.
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#22
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That's freaking poor! Do they not even take out Social Security? She deserves that $4000 anyway. As a single mother, I have a lot of respect for people who do it all on basically nothing. I've been pretty lucky, I guess. I don't get much child support, hell, I pay child support... but I have always been able to earn a decent living. I don't make very much at my day job, and I always claim zero dependents in order to get the best possible return. I paid a few thousand dollars last year in taxes, and even with an EIC, I got all but $2k back.
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#23
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(December 16, 2011 at 6:26 am)aleialoura Wrote: That's freaking poor! Do they not even take out Social Security? She deserves that $4000 anyway. As a single mother, I have a lot of respect for people who do it all on basically nothing. I've been pretty lucky, I guess. I don't get much child support, hell, I pay child support... but I have always been able to earn a decent living. I don't make very much at my day job, and I always claim zero dependents in order to get the best possible return. I paid a few thousand dollars last year in taxes, and even with an EIC, I got all but $2k back.

Yes, they take out SS. Everybody gets hit by that, regardless of income.

She wasn't always in this state of poverty. Shit happens, and it's not always the fault of the person it happens to.

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#24
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Agreed. The economy has taken so many hard working americans down with it. It's not their fault, and we should be compassionate, and not greedy little prick sticks, who are mad because they feel like their money is going to feed people who are in their way of an extra comfortable lifestyle.

Dotard, throwing a little tantrum about your taxes going to needy people in your country is the outward display of one's inner ugliness. It's just pathetic.
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#25
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Totally. It's cool you've been able to make it, despite the challenges.
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#26
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Speaking of Mr. Gates, even he has come out and actually campaigned for higher taxes on the wealthy in Washington state, I cant find anything that says he supports it on a federal level but I can only assume he does.
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#27
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You can solve the problem of "fucking the poor in the ass" by setting up a tax-free boundary. For instance, the first £10k of your income is yours. Then 10% is taken off the remainder.

It's fair, everyone is treated equally, and nobody gets fucked in the ass. Oh yeah, and scrap VAT whilst you're at it. The only tax that should exist should be on the income of people (and via them, corporations).
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#28
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My thoughts. If you have a full-time job, and you can not support yourself. The job is not paying you enough. Its not taxes fault or anything else.

If you work full time and you cant support yourself the system is broken period.
I don't care if it is flipping burgers, you need to earn a living wage. Mcdonalds has huge profits, they may not pay their employees a living wage. So who covers the cost of Mcdonalds not paying their employee enough, we do, the taxpayers in form of social programs. I think the company McDonalds should be paying the employee a living wage so we don't have to supplement their income.
Why should we have to help McDonalds pay their employees? Think about it. Its fucked. We are basically paying McDonalds employees FOR THEM, because they McDonalds with huge profits, don't pay a living wage so it gets supplemented by tax payers.
Its fucking all fucky.
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#29
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(December 16, 2011 at 1:39 am)rhonin85 Wrote: Dotard, why is that you think poor people are taking your money?

I am a poor person. An equally poor person as me pays less tax or is given an income out of our tax dollars because of the lifestyle choices they made. We are equally poor, paycheck wise, so we should be equally taxed. Grinds my gears knowing they receive additional income or lesser tax liability based on the personal choices they made.
My taxes could be lower, thus giving me that extra income you say is important to the ecomomy. Why should it be higher for me just because I choose not to breed or support another?


(December 16, 2011 at 4:10 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Don't even bother.

As far as Dotard sees it, you get your greedy paws on it, you can do whatever you want with it.

You still fail to demonstrate why once you 'get your paws on it' you should not be able to do with it as you please?

Quote:But hey, maybe if you suck enough rich cock, they'll reward you, right? Dodgy

Maybe this is the crux of your argument. You are afraid if you can't just take someone elses money you'll have to suck cock for it?
Do whatever you need to to increase your income. Mow some lawns, do some side-work, suck cock if you so choose to do so, just stay out of my wallet.
You fuks seem to think the "I'm poor so I deserve a cut of your money" arguement works fine when you assume it's only the rich you're robbing from but you fail to see it is also other working poor people you are raping also. I only make $22,500 a year. I would venture to say that would be considered 'poor'* by a whole hellofa lot of Americans. Why am I not allowed to keep as much of mine as you get to keep of yours? No one here is addressing that question. Maybe if I try to make it simplier:
.... wait, I can't make it any simplier. Two equal pukes doing the same job for the same pay. Puke one does not desire children nor a 'mate' and happily lives alone supporting no one but himself. Puke two wants to support a mate and a child or two.
Both made their own choices yet you say puke one MUST give up a cut of their earnings to donate to puke two's lifes choices.
It's not all about the Bill Gates of the world. This shit affects other 'poor' folks also.

*A comparison of the salaries only. 'Rich' and 'Poor' are relative concepts.
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(December 16, 2011 at 4:43 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: For the record, I *do* help people in need, voluntarily out of my own pocket.

Nice. So do I. Voluntarily. It's the forced that irks me.

Quote: For someone in that situation, taking away $900 in income annually is the difference between being able to feed your family or not. We're talking about someone who is doing the best that they can under the circumstances, in a state with one of the worst unemployment rates in the country.

I do believe there is a generous food stamp program in every state. Just making a stab here but I'd guess she probably receives about $300-$400 a month in food stamps. That $75 a month won't cause the devastation you speak of to their food supply. I'd also ask about any housing assistance received.
Before you ask, it gets paid for out of everyones 10%.

Quote:I used to feel as you appear to do. With my cozy middle-class upbringing, I hadn't been exposed to working-class poverty, and it was pretty easy for me to believe that the poor were that way because they were lazy. Clearly, I no longer hold that position.

I appear to hold that position? The poor are lazy? Did I not state my income? Did I ever tell you about my upbringing? Angry

A long, long way from 'cozy middle-class'. No sir. I do not hold the position that all poor people are lazy.

Quote:It would be nice if we lived in a world where every person who was willing and able to work had full employment, and could "pull their own weight". Where disability, mental illness, and lack of education and opportunity didn't exist. Where people didn't abandon their spouse and kids to poverty. Where the greedy didn't prey upon the less fortunate to line their own pockets.

This is just an attempt to grab at the heart-strings. Nice try, but as you can see I have none.


Quote:.... tax credits to the working poor. I have no problem with this. Clearly, you disagree, and that's your right.

I am a 'working poor'. I get no such credits. My tax form is "What did you earn?" "No wife and kids? Goto line XX." "Here's the tax amount on what you earn" And it is usually approx. 10%.
After taxes I net approx. 22,500. How far away is that from what you said your friend earns? I believe you said 19,000. $3500. OH BOY!! She made $3500 less than me yet we give her a check for $4000?!

Quote:...if I'm going to bitch and moan about taxes,... It's certainly not going to be because we redistribute a small amount of income to those in need.

You just demonstrated we 'redistribute' that small amount to where your friend now nets more than I do because of her choice to breed. Nets a tremendous amount when counting the food stamps and other assistance she may recieve from which I am obliged to contribute to.
I am a working poor. Buy your argument should I not be receiving at least 1/3 of that amount also? 3 people in her household, $4000. One in mine, $1333.33. O.K. cool, if they cut me a check every year for that amount I'll quit bitching. Smile

Quote:We (I assume you also live in the USA) live in a country that has historically enjoyed tremendous prosperity - and in my view, it's shameful that in such a country, we have such widespread poverty and need still exists.

Agreed.

Quote:I'm all for simplifying our tax code - but not at the expense of those in need.

Agreed. Although I believe our definitions of "those in need" may differ widely.



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