(August 1, 2015 at 8:45 am)Confused Ape Wrote:

(July 19, 2015 at 4:00 am)Little Rik Wrote: In nature the small merge into the big.
A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek.
The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean.
A cell is composed of matter and consciousness.
This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness.

Quote:I'm guessing this relates to the Yogi and Hindu world view that the universe and everything in it is a manifestation of Ultimate Reality which is conscious.

I rather would say...........supreme consciousness or the cosmic consciousness.

Quote:This Ultimate Reality consciousness wouldn't be anything like our tiny, limited human consciousness, though.

You are correct in saying.........LIMITED consciousness but as far as the differences between us humans and God is all about a consciousness that is dormant or latent and a consciousness that is fully aware as in God case.

Little Rik Wrote:If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die.
Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?
Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?
The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die. 

Quote:Let's say Ultimate Reality really is conscious for the purpose of this discussion.
1) Ultimate Reality has manifested me as a body with a brain.  My personal consciousness is a product of my brain.  When my brain dies it will no longer produce my  personal consciousness.

That is your guessing which i don't agree with.

Quote:2) It's logical to assume that a conscious Ultimate Reality would retain the information gained by manifesting as me throughout my lifetime.  This information would, of course, be part of Ultimate Reality so I would no longer exist as a little, individual entity.

My believe is that when you will be ready you will merge in this ocean of cosmic consciousness.
You were that entity before and you will go back in it.
But to be ready you will have to create a parallelism between you and the cosmic consciousness
so there will not be any more differences among the two.

Quote:3) Everything in Nature gets recycled so Ultimate Reality could recycle my character and personality traits by manifesting a different body and brain. This new brain wouldn't produce me, of course - it would be a different person.

All the matter get recycle so your body will also get recycle but the consciousness will not.
The only differences that the consciousness will produce is related to getting more or less aware.
Aware of who we really are.


Welcome back after so long.  

(August 1, 2015 at 8:37 am)Neimenovic Wrote:

(August 1, 2015 at 8:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: Instead of being called the........Prince of Waffles ...........you should have called yourself the Prince of Guessing
because all your believes are based on guessing.
Doctors declared these people dead just because they (the doctors) find these people 100% dead.
The heart stop beating, there is no activity in the brain so how the hell can you say that this person is not dead yet?
The problem with you is that you can not digest the fact that the consciousness live on after the body-brain is dead.
This particular behaviour is better known as dishonesty.     
As simple as that.  
 

In what way am I guessing exactly?
The definition of death is permanent ending of vital processes. Permanent. PERMANENT, dammit.
The doctors don't have knowledge of whether the cessation is permanent or not at the moment of proclaiming someone dead. Being proclaimed dead when you're alive does not make you dead.
The hallucinations were happening inside the person's brain only and can be repeated with the use of drugs. Demonstrate consciousness occurring outside of a brain.

1) Are you saying that the doctors are all a bunch of idiots that despite studying for years and years
are not knowledgeable enough to know whether a bloke is alive or dead?
2) Why these people would be hallucinated considering that they didn't use drugs?
3) How their dead brains could create hallucinations?
Hallucinations can only be perceived when the brain is alive and active not dead.
4) NDEs already proved that consciousness can be active outside the brain so once again
WRONG WRONG WRONG. 

1) Yep!

2) The body makes drugs, including hallucinogens and opiates.

3) Not Dead.

4) Nope!

(August 1, 2015 at 10:40 am)IATIA Wrote: 1) Yep!

2) The body makes drugs, including hallucinogens and opiates.

3) Not Dead.

4) Nope!

I can quite understand that............ The body makes drugs, including hallucinogens and opiates.......
.....what YOU do not understand is that these hallucinations can only be perceived when the
brain is active not when is dead so wrong again. 

(August 1, 2015 at 10:53 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(August 1, 2015 at 10:40 am)IATIA Wrote: 1) Yep!

2) The body makes drugs, including hallucinogens and opiates.

3) Not Dead.

4) Nope!

I can quite understand that............ The body makes drugs, including hallucinogens and opiates.......
.....what YOU do not understand is that these hallucinations can only be perceived when the
brain is active not when is dead so wrong again. 

The brain is VERY active when dying.

Near Deah Experience. Near. Not death.

You're also ignoring the fact that it was not observable for anybody else but the person hallucinating. It was all in their head.

(August 1, 2015 at 9:58 am)Little Rik Wrote: I rather would say...........supreme consciousness or the cosmic consciousness.

That's fine with me.

Little Rik Wrote:You are correct in saying.........LIMITED consciousness but as far as the differences between us humans and God is all about a consciousness that is dormant or latent and a consciousness that is fully aware as in God case.

I've read various descriptions of full blown mystical experiences which are explained as a oneness with the Divine/Cosmic Consciousness/God or whatever you want to call it.  None of them include information about the experiences etc of everything in the universe even though Cosmic Consciousness would have this information because it is everything in the universe and has been since the physical universe began.  This suggests to me that a human is still very limited in what he or she is equipped to absorb from the experience because the human brain isn't capable of handling it.

Confused Ape Wrote: My personal consciousness is a product of my brain.  When my brain dies it will no longer produce my  personal consciousness.

Rik Wrote:That is your guessing which i don't agree with.

By personal consciousness I mean this little individual, Confused Ape.  I'm not really an individual, though.  I'm a manifestation of Cosmic Consciousness playing a role in the physical universe.  I'm only Confused Ape because of the body and brain that Cosmic Consciousness is currently wearing as me.  I can't sing, understand higher mathematics, run the four minute mile or paint beautiful pictures because my body and brain aren't equipped for these things. This doesn't matter to Cosmic Consciousness because it's also playing the roles of other humans who can do these things.

Little Rik Wrote:My believe is that when you will be ready you will merge in this ocean of cosmic consciousness.
You were that entity before and you will go back in it.

If I go back to it I will cease to exist as Confused Ape.  I'll be absorbed into the source which will retain all the information it acquired from playing the role of me.

Liitle Rik Wrote:All the matter get recycle so your body will also get recycle but the consciousness will not.
The only differences that the consciousness will produce is related to getting more or less aware.
Aware of who we really are.

The way I see it the awareness will be the fact that I'm not real.  My body and brain are just a costume worn by Cosmic Consciousness playing a role. Everything in the physical universe is a costume which Cosmic Consciousness is wearing as it plays all these roles at the same time as playing me.

(August 1, 2015 at 8:20 am)Little Rik Wrote: Stop for a moment to swear and masturbate your brains and read some of these experiences.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experienc..._s_nde.htm

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

Near death experiences aren't proof of your claim, dipshit. You tried that already with someone else, and I'm gonna tell you pretty much the exact same thing.

NDEs and out-of-body-experiences don't happen outside the body. They're basically dreams, and they are still generated by the brain. Nothing about them proves that they happen outside of a brain.

Did you find Heaven Is For Real to be a convincing and well-reasoned film? Fucking dolt.

By the way, mods discourage posting in red or green because they use those colors for official stuff. Better go with a nice, stylish pink instead.

(August 1, 2015 at 11:11 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(August 1, 2015 at 8:20 am)Little Rik Wrote: Stop for a moment to swear and masturbate your brains and read some of these experiences.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experienc..._s_nde.htm

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

Near death experiences aren't proof of your claim, dipshit. You tried that already with someone else, and I'm gonna tell you pretty much the exact same thing.
NDEs and out-of-body-experiences don't happen outside the body. They're basically dreams, and they are still generated by the brain. Nothing about them proves that they happen outside of a brain.
Did you find Heaven Is For Real to be a convincing and well-reasoned film? Fucking dolt.
By the way, mods discourage posting in red or green because they use those colors for official stuff. Better go with a nice, stylish pink instead.

Keep on guessing and masturbate your pink brain idiot.
There is enough evidence to prove that NDEs are real experiences.
When the brain is declared dead by a doctor and when the consciousness is alive and well
this is evidence that the consciousness can be active outside a dead brain.
Not only this but several people who had NDEs experiences could see things happening while their dead body was lying on the emergency room bed that is why i invited you to read these experiences so you could wake up and grow up and leave the mental sewer in which you have been for so long.  

When there is activity in the brain, it is not dead.

When the brain is dead, there is no activity.

Doctors do not know where that line is. Doctors are wrong all the time.

Anyone that experiences NDE was not dead at that moment.

How would either the doctor or patient know when the experience occurs? Maybe the "visions" occurred at the moment of trauma, or on the ambulance ride to the hospital? Doctors can only assess clinical death, when blood stops circulating, heart stops beating, and breathing stops, We know that the brain remains active for almost a minute during clinical death.