(August 5, 2015 at 10:47 am)Confused Ape Wrote: The topic has now included the Big Bang Theory.

I've read a lot of articles about the Big Bang theory and found one which sums everything up very concisely.  I was interested to discover that the website is run by people who consider themselves to be followers of Jesus.'

Big Bang Theory - The Overview 

Quote:Big Bang Theory - The Premise

The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened during and after that moment.

According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know.

After its initial appearance, it apparently inflated (the "Big Bang"), expanded and cooled, going from very, very small and very, very hot, to the size and temperature of our current universe. It continues to expand and cool to this day and we are inside of it: incredible creatures living on a unique planet, circling a beautiful star clustered together with several hundred billion other stars in a galaxy soaring through the cosmos, all of which is inside of an expanding universe that began as an infinitesimal singularity which appeared out of nowhere for reasons unknown. This is the Big Bang theory.

If you want to have some fun, look up alternatives to the Big Bang Theory.

No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

And -

3 Theories That Might Blow Up the Big Bang

This is my personal favourite alternative theory.

Physicists May Have Evidence Universe Is A Computer Simulation

So, the reason why many people still believe in a supernatural deity is because science doesn't have all the answers.

(Emphasis mine)

All that, and the bottom line is still argument from ignorance, huh?

"We don't know, therefore god!"

Let me ask you this: what stops it from being "We don't know, therefore invisible pink unicorns did it!"

Or "We don't know, therefore little blue men did it!"

Or "We don't know, therefore a flying spaghetti monster did it!"

Since we don't know the real explanation, and all those other explanations have about as much empirical evidence as the god claim, you must admit that ruling out any of those explanations as impossible only shows an ignorant, closed mind on your part. Right? Right? How can you say there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster when science can't prove that? WHY DO YOU HATE THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER?!

(August 5, 2015 at 11:12 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: (Emphasis mine)

All that, and the bottom line is still argument from ignorance, huh?

"We don't know, therefore god!"

Yes, because that has worked so well in the past!

Explanation for lightning? Thor (or Zeus or whatev)!
Mental illness? Demons aplenty! Time to cut holes in heads.
Crops dying? Not enough virgins thrown into volcanoes! Hey there baby....let's take a hike up that there hill.
Seas a bit rough today! Poseidon's mighty hand at work.

Derp, derp, derp.

Back in Ye Olden Tymes, at least they had an excuse due to vast scientific ignorance. Today, not so much.

Aaarrrggghhh!!! I couldn't get the post editing to come our right and somehow ended up making a double post. Ignore this.

(August 5, 2015 at 11:12 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: All that, and the bottom line is still argument from ignorance, huh?

"We don't know, therefore god!"

Let me ask you this: what stops it from being "We don't know, therefore invisible pink unicorns did it!"

Or "We don't know, therefore little blue men did it!"

Or "We don't know, therefore a flying spaghetti monster did it!"

Since we don't know the real explanation, and all those other explanations have about as much empirical evidence as the god claim, you must admit that ruling out any of those explanations as impossible only shows an ignorant, closed mind on your part. Right? Right? How can you say there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster when science can't prove that? WHY DO YOU HATE THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER?!

Where did I say that all the theories are impossible so God did it?  The point of my post was to show that science hasn't got all the answers yet so people who are determined to believe in some kind of deity will use that as an excuse to continue believing.

I don't hate the Flying Spaghetti Monster because I don't believe it exists.  If you look at the state of the world it's obvious that everything was created by Azathoth, the idiot god of Chaos.  

(July 19, 2015 at 4:00 am)Little Rik Wrote: In nature the small merge into the big.
A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek.
The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean.
A cell is composed of matter and consciousness.
This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness.
When we eat we absorb these cells.
The physical side of these cells build our body but what happen to the consciousness side of the cells?
Will it die or will enter or better say merge into our bigger consciousness?
According an Atheist point of view when the body die also the consciousness die so there is nothing left there other than
the physical side that build up our body.
Does this belief make any sense?
If it does make sense than why carnivorous people are more aggressive while vegetarians are more relaxed?
It seems that what we eat determine the way we act and think and therefore make sense to say that the consciousness of the
cells in the food that we are eating merge into our consciousness.
If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die.
Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?
Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?
The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die. 

Atheism - disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

There is not scientific evidence of the supernatural, magic, heaven, hell, god, demons, ghosts, spirits, etc. 

(August 5, 2015 at 5:48 am)Confused Ape Wrote: There's also another thing to consider here. If all humans are manifestations of God, all mistakes are ultimately God's mistakes in the physical universe.
I find it an interesting exercise imagining that everything really is God because it puts a completely different perspective on things.  For example, I've had measles, chickenpox, colds and flu during the course of my life. All the viruses which caused those illnesses were manifestations of God.

There is a very important factor that you didn't take in consideration.
According to yoga YOU are God.
Not 100% aware that you are God of course that is why in order to be aware that you are it is important
to go through the physical-mental-spiritual struggle and fight.
This punishment can take the form of all the trouble that you mention or different type of trouble but that is the way to learn and progress.
Without the fight nothing is achieved.
This is the scientific approach.
There is no other way around.

Quote:I just wish that God would stop manifesting as dust on the furniture.

This is an other mental exercise that we all have to go through.
As soon as you start to see God in all his manifestation the bad will turn into good.
In AM. there is the second lesson that teach how everything and everybody is a manifestation of God.

(August 5, 2015 at 4:09 am)Little Rik Wrote: I never heard Sarkar talking about NDEs.
Not because NDEs are not real but because they have to be related to individual experiences.
What is necessary for one can not be necessary for other.
Some people need a longer stay in this dimension so they can do more work.
Other people need a new body to continue their journey to the goal of life so there is no need
for them to go through an NDE teaching.

Quote:I think the content of NDEs is important here.  They are life changing experiences for many people. According to Ananda Marga, a unit mind without a body is dormant so can't learn anything else until it acquires a new body.  If this is true it's logical to assume that someone having an NDE is still in their body.

If it is true that humans can only grasp less that 1 % of what is there then it is obvious that we can not possibly comprehend what according to God is logical and what is not.
I wouldn't really draw any conclusion in this regard.

(August 5, 2015 at 12:34 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(July 19, 2015 at 4:00 am)Little Rik Wrote: In nature the small merge into the big.
A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek.
The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean.
A cell is composed of matter and consciousness.
This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness.
When we eat we absorb these cells.
The physical side of these cells build our body but what happen to the consciousness side of the cells?
Will it die or will enter or better say merge into our bigger consciousness?
According an Atheist point of view when the body die also the consciousness die so there is nothing left there other than
the physical side that build up our body.
Does this belief make any sense?
If it does make sense than why carnivorous people are more aggressive while vegetarians are more relaxed?
It seems that what we eat determine the way we act and think and therefore make sense to say that the consciousness of the
cells in the food that we are eating merge into our consciousness.
If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die.
Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?
Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?
The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die. 

Atheism - disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

There is not scientific evidence of the supernatural, magic, heaven, hell, god, demons, ghosts, spirits, etc. 

Tell me something Dyresand.
How much knowledge you think you got?
100% of what is there?
10%?
1%?
My guess is that we humans only got less than 1% of what is there.
So you reckon that with this tiny amount of knowledge you will be able to comprehend 
whether something else bigger than us exist or not?
Why don't you try to expand your consciousness a little bit more so you may be able to
understand how the whole system works instead of wasting your time guessing and speculating
about things which you haven't got the slightest clue about?       

(August 6, 2015 at 9:22 am)Little Rik Wrote: Tell me something Dyresand.
How much knowledge you think you got?
100% of what is there?
10%?
1%?[...]

I can tell you exactly how much knowledge you have. 0%. Now - maybe you should go to school and learn ANYTHING instead of guessing about everything and making sh*t up, huh? Nah - I didn't think so...

(August 6, 2015 at 9:29 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(August 6, 2015 at 9:22 am)Little Rik Wrote: Tell me something Dyresand.
How much knowledge you think you got?
100% of what is there?
10%?
1%?[...]

I can tell you exactly how much knowledge you have. 0%. Now - maybe you should go to school and learn ANYTHING instead of guessing about everything and making sh*t up, huh? Nah - I didn't think so...

Gee, you must have a lot of knowledge Nutter to know exactly.
Can you please help Little Rik to know the meaning of philosophy so
Little Rik can expand his knowledge.
Plase Nutter help Rik.   

(August 6, 2015 at 9:53 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(August 6, 2015 at 9:29 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: I can tell you exactly how much knowledge you have. 0%. Now - maybe you should go to school and learn ANYTHING instead of guessing about everything and making sh*t up, huh? Nah - I didn't think so...

Gee, you must have a lot of knowledge Nutter to know exactly.
Can you please help Little Rik to know the meaning of philosophy so
Little Rik can expand his knowledge.
Plase Nutter help Rik.