I'm a fan of the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, so I'm not sure that concepts like time and beginning have any real correlates. I think it's likely our intuitive notions of time and causality will unravel the more that we learn about reality, leaving us with a picture of a more or less static model of universes without beginnings or endings.

(August 10, 2015 at 11:41 am)lkingpinl Wrote: Ok, so I know most of you know where the theists stand on the origin of the universe, but I would like to hear what those that identify as atheist, non-theist, naturalist, etc think of the origin of the universe (or maybe no origin at all).

I am NOT looking for proof or evidence, merely postulation on what you think.  I don't know is ok, but I'm really just looking for what you personally feel is most probable.

The universe evolved from nothing and it's constantly becoming more complex.  The main problem is that we don't understand what nothing is or what its properties are.  We do get glimpses of it when we look into space and see the huge voids.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...rs-across/

If we could live long enough we would see hydrogen form in them and then stars.

(August 10, 2015 at 2:21 pm)McDoogins Wrote: I just assume the big bang.

I have no hypotheses or theories of my own nor can I cite facts from existing ones.

My belief in it is just about as serious as my belief in religions.

Really just following another crowd just like theists do.

The Big Bang is a Catholic religious theory of creation.  It's pure BS if you apply reasonable analytical thinking skills to it.

Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:The Big Bang is a Catholic religious theory of creation.  It's pure BS if you apply reasonable analytical thinking skills to it.

Lol, good one!


You're joking, right? right?

(August 10, 2015 at 6:13 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm a fan of the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, so I'm not sure that concepts like time and beginning have any real correlates.  I think it's likely our intuitive notions of time and causality will unravel the more that we learn about reality, leaving us with a picture of a more or less static model of universes without beginnings or endings.

I am too a fan of the MWI because I think.it is the most frugal and philosophically consistent interpretation of QM. Can you briefly sketch how you draw your conclusions for the nature of time from it?

(August 10, 2015 at 7:44 pm)Alex K Wrote:

Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:The Big Bang is a Catholic religious theory of creation.  It's pure BS if you apply reasonable analytical thinking skills to it.

Lol, good one!


You're joking, right? right?

A Cathlic priest came up with the idea of the Big Bang.  It puts a scientific face on the Genesis creation story.  Surely you are capable of seeing the numerous flaws in the Big Bang Theory?

(August 10, 2015 at 7:46 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(August 10, 2015 at 6:13 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm a fan of the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, so I'm not sure that concepts like time and beginning have any real correlates.  I think it's likely our intuitive notions of time and causality will unravel the more that we learn about reality, leaving us with a picture of a more or less static model of universes without beginnings or endings.

I am too a fan of the MWI because I think.it is the most frugal and philosophically consistent interpretation of QM. Can you briefly sketch how you draw your conclusions for the nature of time from it?

I'm not a physicist so these are just impressions. To mix metaphors, I would suggest that the Heisenberg cut is more virtual than real, that there is no collapse of the wave function, real or apparent. This seems to parallel the B theory of time, with the entire history of the universe being just one large static function; if the collapse of the wave function isn't real, then that would seem to imply that any 'history' isn't real either.

That's the best I can do to describe my thoughts. It's probably a train wreck in terms of real physics.

Sorry, I forgot that I gave you the real truth in another thread:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-35150-po...pid1013433

(August 10, 2015 at 12:05 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: No clue.

I'm fine not postulating an opinion until the evidence comes in. And if it never does, "I don't know" is a wonderful position to take.

I'm happy to leave the "knowing" to theists. You guys are comically terrible at it.

I don't mean to undermine you,i just wanted to tell you that it's okay to come up with stupid stuff.
As Albert Einstein once said, 
"To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks real advance in science."

Without creative imagination we'd all probably still be in the stone age.

The most rational response to the origin of universe from someone with as little understanding of physics as me would be that all the energy in the universe was supposedly "created" or "came into being" in the beginning of time.But not many will agree.

Perhaps the question shouldn't be "What is the Origin of the Universe?" but rather "What is the Origin of energy?"
Maybe there was energy all along in the "void",they just happened to be distributed(and then had no real effect)and then they got accumulated(by some process,possibly random,or generally just being attracted to each other,like gravity) somewhere and then it was called a Universe.
In that sense,there isn't an "origin" of Universe.It has always been out there,in the void,some unexplained processes caused these distributed energies to get accumulated and then that huge chunk of accumulated energy was called Universe.Perhaps that's why our universe is supposedly "infinite",because it is constantly drawing energy from the void and using it to expand?

I guess to conclude,the question to your answer would be,"It has always been there.".Some unexplained process(maybe gravity,perhaps that's why the universe is expanding at a faster rate,idk) caused the "origin".

P.S: I stayed up all night thinking about this and i'm happy i came up with an answer that is satisfactory at least to me xD