Randy, did you read the Quran? Or the Vedas? Or the book of Mormon?

(August 18, 2015 at 12:36 am)Thena323 Wrote: GC, I didn't mention the Holy Spirit in relation to my past bible study, because I didn't feel it was relevant to whatever point you were trying to make. For a believer such as yourself, I guess that is unfathomable.  I am familiar with the concept, I've heard countless sermons on the Holy Spirit, but it means nothing to me. You do understand that an atheist does'nt believe in the Holy Spirit, don't you? You keep asking these questions, operating under the premise that I have no belief in god, while assuming I accept that a Holy Spirit exists, but choose not to follow it. 
 
And, if you see nothing wrong with Genesis and  you take it to be literal Word of God..... hell, I don't know what to tell you. I even know of several fundamentalists who won't do that, because even they know ridiculous it sounds. The Creation story is nonsense, that is a fact. Why won't you accept reality?

In my mind, this feels as if you're trying to convince me that 2 + 7= 3, when I know that it equals 9. You can present all of the spiritual, philosophical, emotional arguments in the world....but, they just don't mean anything to me. I don't believe in magic, GC. Christianity requires magical thinking from beginning to end that many people are just not capable of accepting.

I totally understand that you do not now believe in any part of the Triune God of creation. What I was asking is this, when you were doing Bible studies as a Christian were you taught that the Holy Spirit was essential to understanding the scriptures.
As for creation of the universe, there are great problems for the "big bang," all the dark things that have come out dark matter and such have come to life to shore up the "big bang," without these dark do-dads the "big bang" starts to fall apart. The big bang people haven't ever explained where the matter came from to begin with, the starting point of the big bang can't be explained, so it falls apart before it got started. 

GC

Quote: ask them for one new thing, that theology accomplished in the past 500 years.

They have managed this.....

(August 18, 2015 at 4:11 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(August 18, 2015 at 12:36 am)Thena323 Wrote: GC, I didn't mention the Holy Spirit in relation to my past bible study, because I didn't feel it was relevant to whatever point you were trying to make. For a believer such as yourself, I guess that is unfathomable.  I am familiar with the concept, I've heard countless sermons on the Holy Spirit, but it means nothing to me. You do understand that an atheist does'nt believe in the Holy Spirit, don't you? You keep asking these questions, operating under the premise that I have no belief in god, while assuming I accept that a Holy Spirit exists, but choose not to follow it. 
 
And, if you see nothing wrong with Genesis and  you take it to be literal Word of God..... hell, I don't know what to tell you. I even know of several fundamentalists who won't do that, because even they know ridiculous it sounds. The Creation story is nonsense, that is a fact. Why won't you accept reality?

In my mind, this feels as if you're trying to convince me that 2 + 7= 3, when I know that it equals 9. You can present all of the spiritual, philosophical, emotional arguments in the world....but, they just don't mean anything to me. I don't believe in magic, GC. Christianity requires magical thinking from beginning to end that many people are just not capable of accepting.

I totally understand that you do not now believe in any part of the Triune God of creation. What I was asking is this, when you were doing Bible studies as a Christian were you taught that the Holy Spirit was essential to understanding the scriptures.
As for creation of the universe, there are great problems for the "big bang," all the dark things that have come out dark matter and such have come to life to shore up the "big bang," without these dark do-dads the "big bang" starts to fall apart. The big bang people haven't ever explained where the matter came from to begin with, the starting point of the big bang can't be explained, so it falls apart before it got started. 

GC

Science does not provide all the answers to everything. Okay....so what? Magic? Every detail of how the universe came to be is not known, so a magic superhero simply SPEAKING the universe into existence with magic words is a logical conclusion? Oh yeah, that makes perfect fucking sense.

G-C is one of those people who prefers wrong answers to reality.  I find that a lot with religitards.

(August 18, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(August 18, 2015 at 4:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: I totally understand that you do not now believe in any part of the Triune God of creation. What I was asking is this, when you were doing Bible studies as a Christian were you taught that the Holy Spirit was essential to understanding the scriptures.
As for creation of the universe, there are great problems for the "big bang," all the dark things that have come out dark matter and such have come to life to shore up the "big bang," without these dark do-dads the "big bang" starts to fall apart. The big bang people haven't ever explained where the matter came from to begin with, the starting point of the big bang can't be explained, so it falls apart before it got started. 

GC

Science does not provide all the answers to everything. Okay....so what? Magic? Every detail of how the universe came to be is not known, so a magic superhero simply SPEAKING the universe into existence with magic words is a logical conclusion? Oh yeah, that makes perfect fucking sense.

God doesn't do magic, just because you and I can't understand how He does it doesn't mean something else did, with God we have a absolute beginning. Why are you avoiding my question about the Holy Spirit, it's a simple thing I ask, it only requires a yes or no.

GC

(August 18, 2015 at 7:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: God doesn't do magic, just because you and I can't understand how He does it doesn't mean something else did

Just because you or I don't understand how the big bang did it doesn't mean something else did.
It goes both ways ya know.

(August 18, 2015 at 8:03 pm)LostLocke Wrote:

(August 18, 2015 at 7:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: God doesn't do magic, just because you and I can't understand how He does it doesn't mean something else did

Just because you or I don't understand how the big bang did it doesn't mean something else did.
It goes both ways ya know.

The big bang can't explain how the material came into existence. God said He created it, that would be, commanded it into existence. Through the word of God we have an explanation. Through man we have nothing.

GC

(August 18, 2015 at 8:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: The big bang can't explain how the material came into existence. God said He created it, that would be, commanded it into existence. Through the word of God we have an explanation. Through man we have nothing.

GC

God is a superficial answer that cannot be proven as a real answer. God is merely an answer to fill in the gaps of knowledge for idiots who are uncomfortable with the I don't know reality. Truth is not something that can be brought out simply to fill in the gaps of knowledge, which is the entire foundation of religion, but rather truth is something that must have a basis of evidence to support it that does not rely upon faith.

The following question would then be, how? God spoke it into existence, great. That still doesn't explain it.... where did the stuff come from? What energies are involved? What is the process? Is there any residual energies left over? Etc, etc...
If you don't feel you need to answer these question about creation, then no one needs to answer those questions about the big bang.