(August 21, 2015 at 12:25 am)Randy Carson Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 12:19 am)Jenny A Wrote: If you have to lie and cheat to get the message across, chances are it's a bad message.  There is really no such thing as eternal destiny.  When you die you die.  You might cheat them into wasting the one life they have though.

Jenny-

This is bad logic on your part. The message isn't bad - the prejudices of the audience are. If I start a post by saying, "Well, according to William Lane Craig...", half the forum tunes out before they read another word.

As for your "this life is all there is" view, well, another thread, another day.

Sorry, you have no right to flaunt the rules of scholarship and copyright because people tune you out. It is dishonest and a kind of theft. The right to speak is not the right to make people listen. You may think your message is of ultimate importance but others don't.

(August 21, 2015 at 12:19 am)Jenny A Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 12:15 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Winning? This is not a zero-sum game, Jenny.

And if someone reads something I post, and their eternal destiny is changed for the better, who is the loser?

If you have to lie and cheat to get the message across, chances are it's a bad message.  There is really no such thing as eternal destiny.  When you die you die.  You might cheat them into wasting the one life they have though.

We so often hear the old lament .. how can you be moral without God?  Randy here makes me wonder if anyone who claims to do the lord's work can be moral.  Randy obviously is of the ends justifies the means school.  We should just be thankful if he only applies that ethic to make believe stuff. But you can't help but wonder how this sort protects their integrity.

(August 21, 2015 at 12:25 am)Randy Carson Wrote: If I start a post by saying, "Well, according to William Lane Craig...", half the forum tunes out before they read another word.

There's a reason for that which has been explained and demonstrated to you. If your best response is plagiarism to get people to listen, that's worse than just dishonest. It's morally reprehensible.

(August 21, 2015 at 12:32 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 12:23 am)Randy Carson Wrote: And you've been wrong twice.

I didn't lie; what I posted about the "dying and rising gods" nonsense was the truth.

What the fuck are you talking about?!? I don't think I commented on your "dying and rising gods" but even if I did, that's not the other thread I was referring to. Try to keep us straight Randy.

No, I realize that. However, your interloping occurred at an inopportune moment, and I never "lied for Jesus".

Seriously, where do you people come up with these ridiculous notions?

(August 21, 2015 at 12:34 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 12:25 am)Randy Carson Wrote: If I start a post by saying, "Well, according to William Lane Craig...", half the forum tunes out before they read another word.

There's a reason for that which has been explained and demonstrated to you. If your best response is plagiarism to get people to listen, that's worse than just dishonest. It's morally reprehensible.

If I thought you would listen to a speech by Billy Graham that resulted in your eternal life but only if I posted it as my own, I would post it in a heart-beat.

(August 21, 2015 at 12:32 am)Jenny A Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 12:25 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Jenny-

This is bad logic on your part. The message isn't bad - the prejudices of the audience are. If I start a post by saying, "Well, according to William Lane Craig...", half the forum tunes out before they read another word.

As for your "this life is all there is" view, well, another thread, another day.

Sorry, you have no right to flaunt the rules of scholarship and copyright because people tune you out.  It is dishonest and a kind of theft.  The right to speak is not the right to make people listen.  You may think your message is of ultimate importance but others don't.

Opinions vary.

(August 21, 2015 at 12:39 am)Randy Carson Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 12:34 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: There's a reason for that which has been explained and demonstrated to you. If your best response is plagiarism to get people to listen, that's worse than just dishonest. It's morally reprehensible.

If I thought you would listen to a speech by Billy Graham that resulted in your eternal life but only if I posted it as my own, I would post it in a heart-beat.

Okay, okay.  We're convinced.  You really are scum.  Relax.

(August 21, 2015 at 12:23 am)Randy Carson Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 12:17 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: As I said in another thread, any lie told for jeebus is ok.

And you've been wrong twice.

I didn't lie; what I posted about the "dying and rising gods" nonsense was the truth.

Until I made up a god that meets all of your requirements... right?

(August 21, 2015 at 12:37 am)Randy Carson Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 12:32 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: What the fuck are you talking about?!? I don't think I commented on your "dying and rising gods" but even if I did, that's not the other thread I was referring to. Try to keep us straight Randy.

No, I realize that. However, your interloping occurred at an inopportune moment, and I never "lied for Jesus".

Seriously, where do you people come up with these ridiculous notions?

Stealing the words of someone else and passing them off as your own (plagiarism) is a lie. That's where we get the not-so-ridiculous notions.

(August 21, 2015 at 12:32 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: What the fuck are you talking about?!? I don't think I commented on your "dying and rising gods" but even if I did, that's not the other thread I was referring to. Try to keep us straight Randy.

That was in this thread...