Indeed, not everyone who follows Islam is a terrorist, just like not all Christians believe in Noah's flood. There is, however a rather disturbing and depressing number of Christians who believe in the goddamned flood, AND people who follow Islam and are terrorists. I think the phrase "Not all Muslims are like that!" is mostly diversionary, as it literally attempts to stop conversation before the stage where real discussion about the issue can occur. We are at a point where there is a REAL need to discuss and figure out a way to prevent the radicalization of youth in Muslim communities, and as long as we AREN'T talking about it because we are defending ourselves from specious accusations of racism and Islamophobia, the bigger and badder the problem seems to be getting.

We need to put away the racist card, the Nazi card, and the card that says we can't statistically treat them as an minority demographic. Because, until we do, we can't even begin to do anything to address the situation.

When I went to visit the International Terrorist HQ, they had one of those funny signs on the wall:

"You don't have to be Muslim to work here, but it helps!"

(This is just a silly joke I'm not being serious!)

(August 27, 2015 at 12:57 am)Shuffle Wrote:

(August 20, 2015 at 4:08 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Nobody ever says "not all Christians are terrorists" or "not all Sikhs are terrorists". If we were living in the period after Operation Blue Star then we might be talking about Sikhs in the same way we talk about Muhammadans today. Air India Flight 182 anyone? Every religion has both "reasonable people" and "nut jobs", though to a nut job the reasonable people are the nut jobs I suppose.

Um... 99% of killings by terrorist attacks were done by Muslims last year, and they are on track to do even more this year. I don't think a single incident can take precedence over 99%... do you

How do you define who is a terrorist and who isn't? And how did you come to that 99% figure? Have you been keeping accurate records? If so, I'd be very interest to see your findings.

(September 1, 2015 at 4:17 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote:

(August 27, 2015 at 12:57 am)Shuffle Wrote: Um... 99% of killings by terrorist attacks were done by Muslims last year, and they are on track to do even more this year. I don't think a single incident can take precedence over 99%... do you

How do you define who is a terrorist and who isn't? And how did you come to that 99% figure? Have you been keeping accurate records? If so, I'd be very interest to see your findings.

Every Friday, I sit back, get a cup of coffee, and read the terrorist reports for the past weak. I hope you don't mind me reading wikipedia.

I think I might have seen one or two non muslim attacks on this list, maybe not.

A terrorist is someone who attacks civilians for a political or an ideological movement. They must be a part of a larger group, though. That is why I don't think that Dylann roof was a terrorist. He didn't stand for anything bigger than himself.

(August 19, 2015 at 4:04 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: How many times do we hear this from non-muslims defending Islam? I probably hear it once a week in some form or another. No shit! You know what I have never heard in my life? Anybody say "All Muslims are terrorists" Nobody has ever said this. It's like people are arguing against a statement that has never been made ever. It's dishonest and distracting from the real problems that we have with Islam. Mainly that it preaches morality from the 6th century.

Here in the UK, I've certainly read posts which strongly imply that 'all muslims are terrorists', 'all muslims want sharia law', 'all muslim men are wife-beaters' and suchlike; I don't know about how often the specific phrase is used. It's also true that the application of certain anti-terrorist legislation has resulted in 'profiling' techniques which imply that 'all muslims are potential terrorists'. I don't think any politicians have come out and said it and I'd be surprised if they'd plan to display such open bigotry (someone might do it by accident!). So the claim exists. I'm glad that it's apparently more common-place to find online content which decries erroneous generalisations of muslims!

I think we do need to accept some things. Whenever most of use hear "Praise Jesus" in public we may find it irritating, but we are unlikely to bat an eye. Whenever many of us hear Allahu Akbar, we bat an eye, most usually while shitting ourselves in fear. Whether rational or not, the fear is real, and we will have to deal with it. Pretending people don't have a right to be afraid doesn't fix the problem.

There are a few problems I have with the Wikipedia list. Firstly, it lists air strikes by the Syrian government as terrorist attacks. Second, you appear to be lumping Muhammadans who committed terrorist attacks for reasons other than their religion (e.g. Kurdistan, East Turkestan) with those Fascists we often hear about in the media, such as DAESH.

As a example, there's a high chance that the attack by the National Liberation Army in Macedonia was carried out by Muhammadans, given the demographics of Albanians, but they did not do it for religious reasons. They did it for nationalistic reasons (i.e. they were not motivated by the Quran or Hadith to conduct their attack).

(September 1, 2015 at 12:54 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: There are a few problems I have with the Wikipedia list. Firstly, it lists air strikes by the Syrian government as terrorist attacks. Second, you appear to be lumping Muhammadans who committed terrorist attacks for reasons other than their religion (e.g. Kurdistan, East Turkestan) with those Fascists we often hear about in the media, such as DAESH.

As a example, there's a high chance that the attack by the National Liberation Army in Macedonia was carried out by Muhammadans, given the demographics of Albanians, but they did not do it for religious reasons. They did it for nationalistic reasons (i.e. they were not motivated by the Quran or Hadith to conduct their attack).

Ok, that is fine. Then take those all out and see what is left. I can promise you it is still over 99%.

(August 31, 2015 at 6:05 pm)Hisham Hasan Wrote: I can tell you this : Within every single muslim .. there is a little terrorist crawling to go out !

Hisham, you are amongst them.
Tell me why all this shit is happening.
Is it really all about Allah or is that just a good excuse to hide behind.

How can anyone kill innocent woman and children unless they are evil themselves?

(September 1, 2015 at 11:12 pm)ignoramus Wrote:

(August 31, 2015 at 6:05 pm)Hisham Hasan Wrote: I can tell you this : Within every single muslim .. there is a little terrorist crawling to go out !

Hisham, you are amongst them.
Tell me why all this shit is happening.
Is it really all about Allah or is that just a good excuse to hide behind.

How can anyone kill innocent woman and children unless they are evil themselves?

Uuuuh, I think he was joking.