(September 17, 2015 at 11:05 am)Rekeisha Wrote:

(September 17, 2015 at 3:55 am)robvalue Wrote: Maybe I should start telling people who is and isn't a true Christian.

Let's get started.

Who has eaten shrimp?
Who has worn clothes made of more than one fabric?
Who has a tattoo?
Who has worked on a Sunday?

That's just round 1. How many have I ousted so far?

A christian is not one because of the dos and don'ts they have preforemed. A christian is someone who has accepted Christ death and ressurection for their sins. As a result of this they come in to a right relationship with God. Jesus perfect life (in which He fullfilled all of the law) and His death is accredited to those who believe. So your list is fullfilled in Christ life. I am now free to fullfill the law of christ because I am no longer a slave to sin.

You either don't understand or refuse to understand what a christian is. So I have fullfulled round 1 through my savior Christ Jesus.

Please read my signature (you have to scroll down for the non funny part). Then tell me how you feel about shrimp and Jesus. I'm intrigued, truly, how your savior talks to you. Does he show up in the middle of the night in a white robe? Or does he just tell you what you want to hear whenever you need/want it? Isn't it more reasonable that your god delusion is simply that, a made up voice in your head with all the prerequisite attributes you yourself have given it based upon what you read in a book? I can do that too--I can look at the world through Donald Trumps eyes and shake my head at Obama and presuppose that I'm the single other person on this earth he doesn't think to be an idiot because I have faith in him and I have the "right" color skin. All of which I've gotten simply from reading his 'stance' on things. We humans (and other species!) have developed a profound ability called empathy. It's needed for socialization. As a prior Christian (who indeed actually believed so fervently I denied chemotherapy in place of faith healing), I can honestly say that the voice in my head was just me projecting the god I wanted to be there, not an actual external being. If you have a problem believing that, then you are in denial and I'd suggest beginning with the fundamentals of the god you proclaim to believe in.

(September 17, 2015 at 10:57 am)Rekeisha Wrote:

(September 16, 2015 at 10:52 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: I'm not angry. I'm just being mean because you're a self-righteous liar and a fucking asshole. My calling you isn't what makes you that; your words and actions are what does it. Fuck off.

I am still none of the things you claim and you still need a savior for your sins.

Oh, you most certainly are:

self-righteous
adjective

1. having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior.
   

I'm not sure a person has ever fitted a description more aptly that your fine self.

Ain't that a bitch, when you realize yOu're the problem, not the solution? When you realize your humility (quote unquote) is really supremecy in sheeps clothing? When you realize that you're nothing without your learned opinions and beliefs (ie: you don't even know who you are without them!)? Must be scary.

Yep. We've all been there. Well, a lot of us have, anyways. Question is whether you'll dig your head farther down into the sand or sit up and smell the fresh breeze.

(September 17, 2015 at 11:08 am)robvalue Wrote: No, you failed. That was the True Christian™ test (part 1). Being a True Christian is about following the bible literally and exactly.

Don't feel bad. It's an impossible task.

I'll inform Jesus.

It is an impossible task that is why you need jesus. It says that the law was given to show us that we are sinners and in need of salvation. No one had ever done all of the law except Jesus. Here Romans 8 explains this

8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit

Since I am in christ, by reckoning His death and ressurection as mine, there is no one able to condem me.

Also the bible has many different types of writting like history, law, poetry, prophecy, and letters so you would read those books with that kind of knowledge in mind. They bible has a great deal of symbolism and it is all true but I don't think that I will ever see a 10 headed beast coming put of the sea with a harlot riding on it's back

(September 17, 2015 at 11:11 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(September 17, 2015 at 10:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Which on the on before this or one even further up?

How about the one you quoted in the post you made immediately before my complaint?

Note that this is a common deflection tactic used by people playing for time in the hope that the other person will give up out of frustration. If that's what you're doing, forget it.

So hoe did I not answer your question?

For god so loved himself, he sacrificed himself to himself in order to placate himself even though he didn't have to do any of that for he is god--oh and he gave Adam and Eve curiousity and then held a "secret magical apple" right in front of their faces and said "I dare you not to look", then summarily punished all of humanity in order to make a point. Cherubs aside, do you really believe this crap? Have you even researched the origins of the bibles historical accuracy? It's a load of hogwash, my dear.

(September 17, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(September 17, 2015 at 11:05 am)Rekeisha Wrote: A christian is not one because of the dos and don'ts they have preforemed. A christian is someone who has accepted Christ death and ressurection for their sins.

Unless they later change their mind and abandon their faith.  In that event it will turn out that their former acceptance of Christ was counterfeit and they had never actually been a Christian at all.

You might want to change your definition of a Christian to: "A christian is someone who continues right up till they die to accept Christ's death and ressurection for their sins."

When you truly accept Jesus' death and ressurection Jesus will save you to the utter most
Heb 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them

Also once you are his no one (that includes yourself) can remove you from His hand.
John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

It also say if they were one of us they would not have left us
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us

It is all real simple. You realize you are a sinner in need of salvation. You change the way you are thinking and accept Jesus' death and ressurection as yours through faith. (not a feeling) Now you are in a good relationship with God and He will enable you to do what He has planned for you to do. Real easy.

(September 18, 2015 at 9:32 am)Rekeisha Wrote:

(September 17, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Unless they later change their mind and abandon their faith.  In that event it will turn out that their former acceptance of Christ was counterfeit and they had never actually been a Christian at all.

You might want to change your definition of a Christian to: "A christian is someone who continues right up till they die to accept Christ's death and ressurection for their sins."

When you truly accept Jesus' death and ressurection Jesus will save you to the utter most
Heb 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them

Also once you are his no one (that includes yourself) can remove you from His hand.
John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

It also say if they were one of us they would not have left us
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us

It is all real simple. You realize you are a sinner in need of salvation. You change the way you are thinking and accept Jesus' death and ressurection as yours through faith. (not a feeling) Now you are in a good relationship with God and He will enable you to do what He has planned for you to do. Real easy.

I like how you keep quoting the Bible at us, like we haven't read it or didn't understand what we read. It's cute... but rapidly becoming less so.

Of course that's what the Biblical writers say. What else would a religion say to explain people who left the faith? "Ooh, turns out we might be wrong after all? But you keep believing, the rest of you!"

What I grew up believing was that I was a sinner in need of salvation, etc. What I realized is that morals are within me, not external, and most of the stuff that book was telling me to believe is contrary to what we actually know about the world, because the Bible's writers were fallible humans who came from a time when we didn't know all that much about the universe. Most of the "sins" the Bible's writers invented are not sins at all, and much of what the book teaches is outright immoral.

I stopped being a Christian when I realized I was more moral than the Bible, and that I didn't want to keep trying to ignore the amazing universe in favor of a Bronze Age tribal sheepherder fable about the world.

It's that simple.

Any True Christian™ should know about the extra secret gospel. If you can tell me enough to persuade me you know what this secret gospel is, and what is in it, I will accept you are a True Christian.

Without it, the bible makes no sense at all. It is the key to unlocking what the bible is actually telling us.

(September 18, 2015 at 9:32 am)Rekeisha Wrote:

(September 17, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Unless they later change their mind and abandon their faith.  In that event it will turn out that their former acceptance of Christ was counterfeit and they had never actually been a Christian at all.

You might want to change your definition of a Christian to: "A christian is someone who continues right up till they die to accept Christ's death and ressurection for their sins."

When you truly accept Jesus' death and ressurection Jesus will save you to the utter most
Heb 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them

Also once you are his no one (that includes yourself) can remove you from His hand.
John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

It also say if they were one of us they would not have left us
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us

It is all real simple. You realize you are a sinner in need of salvation. You change the way you are thinking and accept Jesus' death and ressurection as yours through faith. (not a feeling) Now you are in a good relationship with God and He will enable you to do what He has planned for you to do. Real easy.

So your only evidence is the Bible. You won't listen to us about what we believed; you're accepting what your ancient book says about us instead. Two can play that game.


You don't believe in God and Jesus because they're real. You only believe in them because you've been convinced to allow religious reasoning to infiltrate both the logical and emotional centers of your brain in such a way that you are unable to distinguish fantasy from reality concerning your religion, even if you're perfectly rational otherwise. Through indoctrination and years of reinforcement through reading and hypnotic religious services, you have created a rock-solid presupposition that steers your confirmation bias like Sulu driving the Enterprise.


You can claim that you really do know and you really do experience these things, but this is only more evidence that you just don't know how to exert critical thinking against your religion. If you were truly able to scrutinize your own claims against evidence, you would realize that they are fallacious. You're not truly a Christian because of faith, but because you just don't know how to think. If you did, you wouldn't be a Christian.


Really, we're just trying to save you from your own ignorance by teaching you to think better. Why won't you let us save you? You must hate us. It's just because you don't want to face reality, and you hate us for trying to make you. Why do you hate reality?