Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
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Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
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Whether hell exists or not, is irrelevant to Christianity. Even if no religion is true, hell maybe true. Therefore you should investigate if it's logical concept in itself. However, a lot of morality is properly basic, and what of it that is not properly basic relies on properly basic assumptions.
So what you are asking is a spiritual/moral question. Do evil people deserve hell?  (September 22, 2015 at 8:51 pm)Beccs Wrote: Can't disprove your religion. Oh, I think that depends on the deity being postulated. For instance, if the bible is an accurate depiction of the nature and the actions of the god within it - creating light before any light source, plants before the Sun, fixing tiny lamps into the dome of the sky and so on - I think a case can be made that that deity doesn't exist.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (September 22, 2015 at 8:00 pm)WishfulThinking Wrote: ... The world is filled with thousands of religions and beliefs (roughly 4,200, if google is correct), one of which is probably true. ... What reason do you have to believe that? It is entirely possible for them all to be false. Given that most of them come from primitive people who were ignorant of the way the world works, we can be pretty sure that they got things wrong even before we start looking at the particulars. If you were serious about wanting someone to convince you that your religion is false, you would want to tell us what your specific type of Christianity is. The approach one would take with a Catholic is different from what one would take with a fundamentalist Southern Baptist. And even within a specific type of Christianity, individuals have different beliefs. It is very common, for example, for people who call themselves "Catholic" to disagree with official Catholic doctrine in many instances (e.g., the morality of using birth control, etc.). So you would want to start by telling us the beliefs that you regard as important to your specific religion. However, we can say that there isn't any good evidence that any type of Christianity is true. Just like there isn't any good evidence that Santa Claus lives on the North Pole. Do you think it would be reasonable to require a specific proof that Santa Claus does not live on the North Pole before rejecting the belief? Do you approach other questions that way, that you believe everything until it is proven false? If so, you must also be a Muslim, a Hindu, a Buddhist, etc., until you encounter specific proofs against them. The idea of an afterlife is silly because your mind is pretty well known to be some processes of your brain or the result of some processes of your brain. (This is known through a variety of things, such as the study of brain-damaged people. It also explains why it is that your mind gets drunk when sufficient alcohol is introduced into your brain.) When your brain stops its processes, your mind is gone and so you are gone. So there is no possibility of an afterlife. "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence." — David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
 RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
September 22, 2015 at 10:24 pm
(This post was last modified: September 22, 2015 at 10:25 pm by Aractus.)
Here: http://atheistforums.org/thread-36296.html
All the proof you need. Or pick one of these topics and I'll explain it to you: 1. God lies to Abraham about the covenant he makes with him. Then he lies to Moses, Joshua, and David too. 2. God is a misogynist: Women are property, only men can get divorced, and adultary means sleeping with a married woman (married men are allowed to sleep with sex slaves, prostitutes, other wives they own, and unmarried women). 3. There is no morality in the Old Testament that isn't reflective of the conventional wisdom of the age. 4. There was no Exodus. 5. There was no conquest of Canaan. 6. The Pentateuch wasn't written until the 7th century BC at the earliest - that's 6-8 centuries after the mythical Exodus. 7. While there's very good evidence that Jesus was crucified, there's almost no evidence for his supposed bodily resurrection and ascension which forms the cornerstone of modern Christianity. Paul never mentions it, James and Jude and Peter never mention it, the author of Hebrews doesn't mention it, and Mark doesn't mention it either. Mark does say that Jesus ascended, and he does say Jesus will appear to people - but that's it - there isn't any mention of a bodily resurrection or an ascension. Matt 28:17 says that "some who saw the resurrected Jesus doubted" - so by the own admission of the gospel writer there were people who saw the supposed resurrected Jesus and said "that's not him". So what makes the people who did believe right and those that didn't wrong? We have no objective way to determine that other than to ask the question "who are the ones that are religiously biased"? So the gospel writer is basing the account on religiously-biased hearsay - that's hardly convincing evidence. 8. God is not faithful to his followers: Jesus is crucified, John the Baptist is beheaded, Judas Iscariot hangs himself, Herod has James the son of Zebedee killed by the sword, Simeon and James the Just are stoned to death, Peter is crucified, Paul is executed by the Romans, Nero persecutes the Christians from 64-68AD, and in 70AD the Jerusalem Church is completely destroyed (along with the rest of Jerusalem) as far as anyone can tell. BUT Jesus promised that the Son of Man would come before they finish going through all the towns of Israel (Matt 10:23).
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK "That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke  (September 22, 2015 at 8:00 pm)WishfulThinking Wrote: Salutations theists, atheists, and agnostics! Jesus said that he was sent only to the Jews. So if you aren't a Jew then he and his message does not apply to you. The gaudy bejeweled golden cube is called New Jerusalem and it only has twelve gates, one gate for each tribe of Israel. How do you expect to get in it if you are not a member of one of those twelve tribes? 
To the OP, welcome to the unforgivable sin.
If you're a Christian why should you fear God or hell, unless you're wanting to do things that go against your supposed Christian beliefs. If you're looking to jump ship let me say this, you want like, it if you are a Christian, the Holy Spirit will be convicting you at many turns, as I believe He is doing now. If conviction is what you are going through then wouldn't that mean there's a Holy Spirit and if that's true then there must be a God since He is part of the God Head, and if He's convicting you what is He convicting you about, to love and serve God or salvation. Go ask God and find your answer, He want's a personal relationship with you, one that's centered in love, not fear of Him and hell. Christians aren't going to hell so we do not worry about it, and Christians look to serve God for the redemption of the lost. When we get out of line He will correct us as any loving parent would do. So if you really do believe why worry, if you don't then I guess you have a reason to worry, because it's evident you've be introduced to Jesus. Most people who claim to be Christians and are looking for excuses not to believe anymore are doing things or considering doing things that are against God and if they are feeling bad about it they're under conviction. As a youth leader I've seen this, pressure from your friends outside church can be a powerful thing, but not if you truly love God.
If you are doing as Randy mentioned then you should be deeply afraid of God, God will protect those who love Him, you should consider with a very serious mind and heart what you're trying to accomplish here. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 (September 22, 2015 at 9:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Do evil people deserve hell? No one deserves an eternity of being burned alive, no matter how heinous their crime.
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I love the threats.
I have talked to many a theist about their beliefs, why hasn't God smote me, GC?
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<--- (September 22, 2015 at 11:12 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I love the threats. 'Cuz he's waitin' 'til after you're dead, of course. Then it'll smite you somethin' awful!
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