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Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
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 RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 13, 2015 at 7:25 pm
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(October 13, 2015 at 6:55 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: I looked up the information above for a report I did when I attended Gordon Mork's "Hitler and the Holocaust" at Purdue. I stand by what I said. So? Fitting the demographic doesn't say anything about the nature of the group. As I said, one fact doesn't paint the whole picture. ![[Image: Bumper+Sticker+-+Asheville+-+Praise+Dog3.JPG]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-d-3rfdI7nG0%2FTerwtFyFXoI%2FAAAAAAAACak%2F7kFSmHeVrng%2Fs320%2FBumper%2BSticker%2B-%2BAsheville%2B-%2BPraise%2BDog3.JPG)
 (October 13, 2015 at 7:25 pm)abaris Wrote:(October 13, 2015 at 6:55 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: I looked up the information above for a report I did when I attended Gordon Mork's "Hitler and the Holocaust" at Purdue. I stand by what I said. No, but it's a important part. But we have more. Der Frage. Heard of it? RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 13, 2015 at 7:35 pm
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(October 13, 2015 at 7:30 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: Der Frage. Heard of it? What's that supposed to be? The question - in this case it would be "Die Frage", but nitpicking aside, is that a book? Give specifics, so that I can look it up. I'm not giving an uniformed opinion here. Is that the one about Josef Mengele?
(October 13, 2015 at 7:35 pm)abaris Wrote:(October 13, 2015 at 7:30 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: Der Frage. Heard of it? Sorry about the bad German, it's been a while since I looked at that. Die Frage was the questionnaire Germans had to complete as part of the denazification process. It became the "poster child" of postwar social reconstruction. The German government kept tabs on some people based on their replies to die Frage, and one of the things they looked at was "church attendance." Over 90% of the SS officer corps went right back to their original religions after 1945. The people who compiled the data came to the conclusion that they had been following the SS "mythos" solely to get ahead in that organization. Other studies supported that idea.
The official position propagated by Himmler. I'm usually not a fan of wiki, but it gives an accurate picture of what he wanted for the SS.
Quote:Himmler used the Jesuits as the model for the SS, since he found they had the core elements of absolute obedience and the cult of the organisation.[12][11] Hitler is said to have called Himmler "my Ignatius of Loyola".[12] As an order, the SS needed a coherent doctrine that would set it apart.[13] Himmler attempted to construct such an ideology, and deduced a "pseudo-Germanic tradition" from history.[13] Himmler dismissed the image of Christ as a Jew and rejected Christianity's basic doctrine and its institutions.[14] In a 1936 memorandum, he set forth a list of approved holidays based on pagan and political precedents meant to wean SS members from their reliance on Christian festivities.[15] However, these attempts were not entirely successful. Historian Heinz Höhne observes that the "neo-pagan customs" Himmler introduced into the SS "remained primarily a paper exercise".[15] Most of Himmler's attempts to link "old Teutonic" traditions into the spiritual life of the SS and society at large were criticised by the Church as a form of "new heathenism."[16] Although the SS never endorsed Christian beliefs, the traditional rituals and practices of the Christian faith were generally tolerated and respected.[17] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_SS Two other anecdotal evidences. Franz Stangl, commander of Treblinka, Catholic. Rudolf Höss, areligious. The organisation certainly wasn't christian. For references see Eugen Kogon's "Der SS Staat", the SS state or Hitlers politische Soldaten by Bernd Wegner. Only two out of many. Also, I've read quite a few books on the denazification process and the results are considered less than reliable by European historians. People tried to look good. So the answers given in these questionnaires are what the people questioned thought the Allies wanted to hear. A more interesting look at the Nazi elites is Gustave Gilberts Nuremberg Diaries, where he writes about the interviews he had with the inmates there.
Okay then.
 RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 14, 2015 at 1:47 am
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(October 13, 2015 at 6:44 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: I'm the asshole for claiming that humans have inherent value and were not just animals, alright then. We are animals. We're mammals. We have hair and nipples. We have every characteristic of a Great Ape. That said, I don't even know what "just" animals means? What other options are there? Robots? Angels? Dragons? Aliens? I am not really clear on what the term "inherent" value might even mean. Next time I meet someone a religious fanatic has chained in a dungeon for being of the wrong faith, I'll ask them what their "inherent" value is. Meanwhile, back here in reality, we human animals are as valuable as we decide among ourselves that we are. No more, no less. That's both a good and a bad thing, and it's our duty to make it as good as we can, since as Edmund Burke put it, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." You really should learn why I call myself a Secular Humanist, what we are and what we believe, to understand why I meet your accusations of nihilism with such derision and scorn.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love. 
Most Americans during WWII were Christians. If you put a bunch of them in a dark room with a bunch on Nazis you couldn't tell them apart. They were all bigoted racist assholes who took great delight in killing their enemies.
(October 14, 2015 at 2:34 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Most Americans during WWII were Christians. If you put a bunch of them in a dark room with a bunch on Nazis you couldn't tell them apart. They were all bigoted racist assholes who took great delight in killing their enemies. You were never in the military were you? 
Hitler most definitely a god believer, Invoked him at various times during speeches.
FSM made sure to boil him extra long.
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming" -The Prophet Boiardi-
Conservative trigger warning.
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