(October 21, 2015 at 9:03 pm)robvalue Wrote: Holy fuck Jesus.

Why should anyone care what is a "sin"? What does it even mean? It upsets God? It makes him sad, cross, angry, perplexed, jealous, withdrawn and other very human emotions?

It goes against his "purpose"? I thought we were meant to have free will, yet we have to do things exactly as he wants or else he starts crying?

If there is a god, hurting his feelings should be the least of anyone's concerns. If you really think you are worshipping something so petty that it would take away your eternal privileges because you did something that he finds a bit irritating, then your God is nothing more than a superpowered spoiled little brat.

Judgmental dicks that's who. Remember now christians shoves their fucking face into peoples lives and into their bed rooms and also 
and love to persecute others but when they get called out on it they say their getting persecuted.

Anyone else notice this? No? Just me?

(October 21, 2015 at 1:21 pm)Drich Wrote: a driving force behind it. One that a person could get lost in.

(October 21, 2015 at 10:46 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Anyone else notice this? No? Just me?

(October 21, 2015 at 1:21 pm)Drich Wrote: a driving force behind it. One that a person could get lost in.

I noticed it, now just keep reading.

(October 21, 2015 at 4:57 pm)Losty Wrote:

(October 21, 2015 at 1:21 pm)Drich Wrote: I would have absolutely no issue in saying Homosexuality is biological nor would I have any issue saying it is psychological or a mixure of both, (Just not genetic) because without a doubt their is a driving force behind it. One that a person could get lost in.

But, again. How is that different than any other sin?

Your whole argument whether you know it or not is prefaced on Homosexuality being the unforgivable sin. It's not, get over yourselves. It is a sexual sin, just like any other sexual sin/hetrosexual. That said If their was a sin scale sexual sin ranks just under unforgivable, so it is still pretty serious, but it is a sub set of sinful things WE ALL Deal with every day! The only difference is forgiveness can be found for those willing to identify and admit their sin.

That what atonement and repentance is. We do not have to over come our sin/lead sinless lives in order to find the save Grace Christ died to provide. However we must be willing to honestly identify sin in our lives and turn our hearts from it. Not want to sin. Hate our sin. That is why we must not legitimize or try and make excuses for our sin/because we will never turn from it.

Even Paul Himself in Romans 7 says he can not ever stop sinning. yet he is still saved because he identifies the sin in his life and turns his heart from it. Which can not happen if we try and justify sin under the title of 'natural behavior.' Natural does not equal righteous behavior. Righteousness is what we need for eternal life, and we can only get that through atonement because we are all guilty of sin

Please please please do not ever repeat this garbage to anyone. This is disgusting. Sin is not a real thing, but if there was ever anything that I considered sin it would be this. You have no idea the type of damage you can do with words like this. Especially to those who are young and/or vulnerable.

How so?

Grab ahold of a 14 year old child and tell them they should hate themselves (because that's what they're going to hear), and tell me that you don't think that's cruel.

(October 21, 2015 at 9:03 pm)robvalue Wrote: Holy fuck Jesus.

Why should anyone care what is a "sin"?

for the same reason that you try and reason out in the second half of your paragraph.

Quote:What does it even mean?

A sin is anything (thought, action or desire) that is outside God's expressed will for us.
If their were only God's will then we would not have any choice, but to follow the will of God. Sin is the alternative to living in God's will or What He has created for us to do/live on an eternal scale with Him.

Quote:It upsets God? It makes him sad, cross, angry, perplexed, jealous, withdrawn and other very human emotions?

What makes them human only? What if they did not originate with us? What if they are not only shared with us? Does that in your mind make all emotion "human?" To say "human emotion" puts you in the center of the universe and has the sun and stars revolve around you. Are you one of those people? (The earth is flat because that is my limited perception of it?)

Quote:It goes against his "purpose"? I thought we were meant to have free will,

no, "free will" is never mentioned or taught in the bible. Free will is a Greek construct that the church later adapted. The bible tells us we are all slaves to sin and are bound in this life to sin. God's will for us is to see us free from sin through atonement. Meaning we are not bound by the law of sin to source our righteousness.

Quote: yet we have to do things exactly as he wants or else he starts crying?

maybe if you have a OT Jewish model of Christianity. But again, the NT Church outlined in the bible is not based on living a sin free life.

Quote:If there is a god, hurting his feelings should be the least of anyone's concerns. If you really think you are worshipping something so petty that it would take away your eternal privileges because you did something that he finds a bit irritating, then your God is nothing more than a superpowered spoiled little brat.

What if you just never actually read the bible for yourself and like with all of your other knowledge of the world simply let someone else tell you what to think, but tragically those in whom you trusted where completely wrong about God, Sin and redemption? That the only reason for the law was simply to identify sin in your life so you would seek redemption, rather than try and make you live a sin free life?

But rather than spend 1/2 the time reading the bible you read and research commentaries that tickle your ears and tells you what you think you already know, which alienates you to the one thing we all must have to be given "eternal privileges."

(October 22, 2015 at 12:17 am)Losty Wrote: Grab ahold of a 14 year old child and tell them they should hate themselves (because that's what they're going to hear), and tell me that you don't think that's cruel.

Where do you read hate in what I said?

(October 22, 2015 at 12:24 am)Drich Wrote:

(October 22, 2015 at 12:17 am)Losty Wrote: Grab ahold of a 14 year old child and tell them they should hate themselves (because that's what they're going to hear), and tell me that you don't think that's cruel.

Where do you read hate in what I said?

the part where we are all born terrible people just because we exited a vag. I think that is pretty clear. From what I have seen of the bible it clearly states that nothing we do on our own amounts to anything unless it involves this particular god. I have even been to bible studies and have heard this from the teachers. It appears to me that they want to make good and sure that the only self esteem you have is being Christian.
Also so as not to go to far off topic, the idea that all sexual sin is equal may be true in the bible but not to the christians of today. The present is all we really have.

(October 22, 2015 at 12:24 am)Drich Wrote:

(October 22, 2015 at 12:17 am)Losty Wrote: Grab ahold of a 14 year old child and tell them they should hate themselves (because that's what they're going to hear), and tell me that you don't think that's cruel.

Where do you read hate in what I said?

Doesn't have to be explicitly stated.

Sin is equally the dumbest and most insidious invention created by humanity.