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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 6:48 pm
(October 31, 2015 at 6:43 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 31, 2015 at 6:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: According to Jenny's logic, autopsies are useless because the coroner wasn't present at the death.
and didnt you put me on your ignore list ?
He can't see you, Jenny, but he can see (like here) where people reply to you.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 6:59 pm
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(October 31, 2015 at 6:03 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 31, 2015 at 5:48 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: well im not a scientist they are its not my job to conduct testing or come up with scientific proof . im not arguing against evolution im arguing against your claim that evolution has been tested and documented
yes the current process can be documented and tested and so we can be 100% sure about current evolution that has been documented
But that's just it; we can look at the puzzle of the DNA code and see into the past, because we know each generation had to inherit the code from the previous ones. We know which sites are not altered by Natural Selection pressure or recombination, so we can look for those sites and keep track of the changes. We call them "markers". By reassembling the slow process of change in the markers, we can "back-build" the tree of interrelationships. It's how we did the National Genographic Project, figuring out the migrations of every person throughout ancient pre-history, based on our mtDNA. Just looking at the "scars" left over from ancient viral infections, which got deleted but preserved in the junk-DNA (spaces between parts that actually do stuff) and passed down to each set of offspring down to the present day, we can tell that we are the cousins of chimpanzees; we share a common ancestor with them. We can use the same method to prove we and they (closely related to one another) are slightly more distantly related to gorillas. And so on.
We can also compare our results from this method to other methods we had used prior to 1985, when scanning DNA sequences really became possible. We have dozens of inter-woven threads of evidence, each of which would destroy our picture of the past if it did not back-up and verify the other threads. NONE OF THESE WOULD AGREE WITH EACH OTHER if any of them were wrong.
We can use those methods to confirm that the processes we observe today are the same ones that have always been going on. We can know this from visual observations (same stuff found in same layers, worldwide), from comparative testing/analysis of what we do find, and from chemical testing (including DNA, proteins, and other fun stuff in our cells). All of these methods must agree, in a field where disproving your fellow scientists not only wins you fame, but is the basic definition of what science is: peer-review means tearing down the other guy's ideas, if you can, explaining why he was wrong, and possibly setting out better methods of testing/analysis.
The short version is, we do know what happened in the past, because we see evidence of it, and we know that it worked then the same way it works now because that's what the fossil record and every other method of testing we have shows. Again, we don't need a time machine to know what happened because things that happen, especially things that happen all across the planet for billions of years, leave evidence that they happened, and we can put those puzzle pieces together.
yes its based on interpretation of the things that are available to scientists
(October 31, 2015 at 6:48 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 31, 2015 at 6:43 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: and didnt you put me on your ignore list ?
He can't see you, Jenny, but he can see (like here) where people reply to you.
oh so its best to just ignore his comments then since he really isnt following the conversation
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 7:23 pm
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(October 31, 2015 at 5:48 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: well im not a scientist they are its not my job to conduct testing or come up with scientific proof . im not arguing against evolution im arguing against your claim that evolution has been tested and documented Really..you're not a scientist? Surprise surprise!
You've found yourself, yet again, disagreeing with facts in defense of your beliefs. You're not arguing, you've declined to hold to the standards required for that, remember? How many times do you plan on doubling down on a lie -after- it's been repeatedly exposed? Most people double down before, not after...you're such a non-conformist, lol.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 7:32 pm
(October 31, 2015 at 6:48 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 31, 2015 at 6:43 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: and didnt you put me on your ignore list ?
He can't see you, Jenny, but he can see (like here) where people reply to you.
Good grief, how dumb is this kid?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 7:33 pm
Jenny, you've declined from being totally ignorant and yet opinionated, to simply contemptuous of reality even when they have been represented to you.
In one thread you've declined from being an ignoramus, an sad, embarrassing, but curable condition, to a willful buffoon who simply will not be cured, which is even sadder, more embarrassing, and will be you, forever.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 7:37 pm
(October 31, 2015 at 7:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (October 31, 2015 at 5:48 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: well im not a scientist they are its not my job to conduct testing or come up with scientific proof . im not arguing against evolution im arguing against your claim that evolution has been tested and documented Really..you're not a scientist? Surprise surprise!
You've found yourself, yet again, disagreeing with facts in defense of your beliefs. You're not arguing, you've declined to hold to the standards required for that, remember? How many times do you plan on doubling down on a lie -after- it's been repeatedly exposed? Most people double down before, not after...you're such a non-conformist, lol.
not that im against disagreeing with facts but dont really know what facts you think im disagreeing with right now what do you mean doubling down on a lie and what lie have i doubled down on? you really seem to be a very paranoid person i hope your not a real police officer 
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 7:40 pm
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You did just voice your disagreement with the notion that evolution has been tested or documented...didn't you? Shall I quote you....again? How many people post on your account? You've repeatedly claimed to believe in evolution, and you've repeatedly claimed that you aren't arguing against evolution....as you demonstrate to us that you don't believe in evolution....while attempting to argue against evolution.
It's ridiculous, stop.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 7:41 pm
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(October 31, 2015 at 7:32 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (October 31, 2015 at 6:48 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: He can't see you, Jenny, but he can see (like here) where people reply to you.
Good grief, how dumb is this kid?
your just confused because you have me on ignore and are not really getting the whole conversation its ok
(October 31, 2015 at 7:33 pm)Chuck Wrote: Jenny, you've declined from being totally ignorant and yet opinionated, to simply contemptuous of reality even when they have been represented to you.
In one thread you've declined from being an ignoramus, an sad, embarrassing, but curable condition, to a willful buffoon who simply will not be cured, which is even sadder, more embarrassing, and will be you, forever.
i disagree with your opinion
(October 31, 2015 at 7:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You did just voice your disagreement with the notion that evolution has been tested or documented...didn't you? Shall I quote you....again? How many people post on your account? You've repeatedly claimed to believe in evolution, and you've repeatedly claimed that you aren't arguing against evolution....as you demonstrate to us that you don't believe in evolution....while attempting to argue against evolution.
It's ridiculous, stop.
why does your paranoid mind think that i dont believe in evolution or that im arguing against evolution? just because i point out that the entire evolutionary process since the big bang hasnt been observed or tested its just stating the truth and you agree with that or so you said , current evolution can be observed i agreed , that doesnt mean i dont believe in evolution or am arguing against it . now you are strawmanning me
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 7:59 pm
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(October 31, 2015 at 7:41 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: why does your paranoid mind think that i dont believe in evolution or that im arguing against evolution? just because i point out that the entire evolutionary process since the big bang hasnt been observed or tested its just stating the truth and you agree with that or so you said , current evolution can be observed i agreed , that doesnt mean i dont believe in evolution or am arguing against it . now you are strawmanning me
That's not what you pointed out...but if that's what you're pointing out -now-.....here again we see your dishonesty. It's kind of hard to strawman a person when you use the actual quote function. Are you pretending to know what strawmanning means, now..or have you always known.....even as you strawmanned us repeatedly?
Would it matter if I were strawmanning you....you declined a rational conversation, you opted out of those standards, remember?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 8:00 pm
Jen, do you believe in all the other hippie stuff like homeopathy, crystals, etc
(Just trying to get an idea of where you're coming from)
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