(November 10, 2015 at 11:20 am)Stimbo Wrote: I've never seen you speaking out against the atrocities in the Middle East, so by your own petard you must agree with them, you inhuman bastard.

Sorry mate but your latest try is like hot wind which of course is worse than nothing.
People come in this thread to talk about a particular subject.
It is like at school or at the uni.
When you enter a classroom you get there to listen to a particular subject.
After that you may enter a different classroom where it is taught a different one and so on.
Here in this thread nobody intend to talk about politic or economy or any other subject.
So your trying to be smart with a touch of profanity fail badly (as usual).  

(November 10, 2015 at 4:11 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: of course every person has beliefs , as in every person believes a certain way to say that atheists are devoid of belief is not true its not true of any person with intelligence if you are able to think then you have beliefs atheists believe in many things they believe in science and the reality they see around them they have political beliefs and beliefs about well everything else , just like all other thinking people do , and concerning God they do not believe that God exists . I think rik what you are arguing is not that they have beliefs but that atheists have a "dogmatic" belief which is most often associated with religious theists and are ' attitudes that are not only based on unproved theories but are also arrogant in nature ' .....

the thing is that not all atheists are the same while you might find an atheist with a dogmatic belief system i think most atheists are very skeptical regarding all dogma . to assume that all people who do not believe in God (which is what atheism is simply a disbelief in God) are dogmatic in their beliefs of other things , in other beliefs , is not correct because not everyone within any group all think alike . a more realistic claim would be that ' some atheists have dogmatic beliefs ' and give the reasons why and challenge those dogmatic beliefs thats youve noticed that some atheists have . ( the belief that all atheists think a certain way is actually a dogmatic belief ) humans have a tendency i think to label and make assumptions about people or groups of people but we should all make an effort to learn and grow and challenge our assumptions 

A forum as it was intended in the ancient Rome was a place where a group of people congregate in a particular part of the square or place to discuss a particular subject.
Nobody is forced to come in the forum or a particular part of the forum better known today as thread but by coming people get involved in the subject being discussed.
As far as i know if people do not challenge the speaker it come obvious that they agree with what has been said.
What's the point of being there and listen otherwise?
My point is not whether all atheists think a certain way or not.
My point is that if you participate in a thread and you keep silent and do not challenge what has been said you automatically show that you agree with what has been said.
These people challenge my ideas at every step but they never challenge ideas coming from other atheists
and then they have the audacity to tell me that not all atheists think in the same way.
Well, if that is the case why then not challenge the other atheists that say different things.
Here is where lie the hypocrisy.  

(November 11, 2015 at 4:22 am)Red_Wind Wrote:

(November 10, 2015 at 9:04 am)Little Rik Wrote: Holy Santa.
First you say............god falls under absence of evidence since since we can not proof his existence..............and then you state that.........The world can work without the existence of a god........

Oh, my God you really smash one more contradictory statement especially in the face of your mate Rob that just few minutes ago was preaching the lack of evidence into believing that God exist.
You just state something so you must have the evidence that the ....world can work without the existence of a god.

Oh, my God i am all shaken.  
If this is not a belief what is it?  

How is that a contradiction?

We have yet to see the involvement of a god or see the need for the involvement of a god.
If a god does exist then he is most likely not related to any of the religions on earth.

Don't you realize that you just made an unsubstantiated statement?
How would you know whether there is a God that control everything or the universe doesn't need a controller when in fact physical science has yet to answer this question?
You create a belief in your mind that the situation is such and such which come with no evidence of whatsoever therefore as such it become a dogma.

(November 10, 2015 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: I am afraid Rob that the one who declare victory is Little Rik.
Now that your mate stated his belief that .........the world can work without the existence of a god.......which of course is an unfounded statement and belief Little Rik got the evidence that atheism is based on beliefs.      

Quote:Well then let me put it another way, there is no evidence that a god is needed for the world to work as of yet.
That would be my opinion, not belief.Unlike a belief, i can change my opinion (my opinion is that belief is part of the subconscious)

There is no physical evidence.
That doesn't mean that evidence can be found elsewhere.
In any case you did state that there is no need for a God without backing your statement with evidence.  

Someone, anyone - he's talking at me again...

(November 11, 2015 at 10:50 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(November 11, 2015 at 4:22 am)Red_Wind Wrote: How is that a contradiction?

We have yet to see the involvement of a god or see the need for the involvement of a god.
If a god does exist then he is most likely not related to any of the religions on earth.

Don't you realize that you just made an unsubstantiated statement?
How would you know whether there is a God that control everything or the universe doesn't need a controller when in fact physical science has yet to answer this question?
You create a belief in your mind that the situation is such and such which come with no evidence of whatsoever therefore as such it become a dogma.

(November 10, 2015 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: I am afraid Rob that the one who declare victory is Little Rik.
Now that your mate stated his belief that .........the world can work without the existence of a god.......which of course is an unfounded statement and belief Little Rik got the evidence that atheism is based on beliefs.      

Quote:Well then let me put it another way, there is no evidence that a god is needed for the world to work as of yet.
That would be my opinion, not belief.Unlike a belief, i can change my opinion (my opinion is that belief is part of the subconscious)

There is no physical evidence.
That doesn't mean that evidence can be found elsewhere.
In any case you did state that there is no need for a God without backing your statement with evidence.  

If there is a god pricky, he made you one unbelievable tedious and boring cuntbag.

(November 11, 2015 at 10:50 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(November 11, 2015 at 4:22 am)Red_Wind Wrote: How is that a contradiction?

We have yet to see the involvement of a god or see the need for the involvement of a god.
If a god does exist then he is most likely not related to any of the religions on earth.

Don't you realize that you just made an unsubstantiated statement?
How would you know whether there is a God that control everything or the universe doesn't need a controller when in fact physical science has yet to answer this question?
You create a belief in your mind that the situation is such and such which come with no evidence of whatsoever therefore as such it become a dogma.

(November 10, 2015 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: I am afraid Rob that the one who declare victory is Little Rik.
Now that your mate stated his belief that .........the world can work without the existence of a god.......which of course is an unfounded statement and belief Little Rik got the evidence that atheism is based on beliefs.      

Quote:Well then let me put it another way, there is no evidence that a god is needed for the world to work as of yet.
That would be my opinion, not belief.Unlike a belief, i can change my opinion (my opinion is that belief is part of the subconscious)

There is no physical evidence.
That doesn't mean that evidence can be found elsewhere.
In any case you did state that there is no need for a God without backing your statement with evidence.  

So my statement that there is a lack of evidence needs to backed up with evidence?

Don't you get bored of these back and forth arguments?

BTW what religion do you follow?, do you have a reason to follow your particular religion or is it just blind faith?, what makes your religion/god any more true compared to other religions/gods?

Your thread has already been derailed and most of your opening statements have been debunked so i don't see what use this thread is other then entertainment.

(November 11, 2015 at 1:23 pm)Red_Wind Wrote: i don't see what use this thread is other then entertainment.

I think we're now trying to see how many pages we can drag this subject out to.

(November 11, 2015 at 11:04 am)Stimbo Wrote: Someone, anyone - he's talking at me again...

I can tell you love LittleRik!
You patronise him the way you would like when a little budgie repeats its first word. In a non rhetorical way of course.

He is mightily arrogant and deluded, and possibly mentally ill. (That last is out of concern, not an insult. I would really love it if he got at least a professional evaluation, because I'm worried for his state of mind.) But he's still not as obnoxious as many of the other regular theists we have here. It's just that sensible conversation is close to impossible.