(November 16, 2015 at 2:18 am)The_Empress Wrote: Double irony. Not surprising.

Yeah I still don't get it and to be honest I'm getting annoyed as fuck. I don't see what your deal is, but you're coming off as a total bitch.

(November 16, 2015 at 2:23 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:

(November 16, 2015 at 2:18 am)The_Empress Wrote: Double irony. Not surprising.

Yeah I still don't get it and to be honest I'm getting annoyed as fuck. I don't see what your deal is, but you're coming off as a total bitch.

Woohoo!  Rare is the triple!

(November 16, 2015 at 2:24 am)The_Empress Wrote:

(November 16, 2015 at 2:23 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: Yeah I still don't get it and to be honest I'm getting annoyed as fuck. I don't see what your deal is, but you're coming off as a total bitch.

Woohoo!  Rare is the triple!

Yeah, because this isn't even a real conversation. If you think that the same thing applies to me as you, you're mistaken. I'm not the one who comes in with gender conspiracies and then acts like a total ass hat when people disagree with you. To be honest, would you expect any other response from being an asshole? Sorry, you're mistaken. Maybe you could clean up the mess of shit you've been spewing all over this thread. Start by apologizing for being a dick, then if you're feeling up to it, explain in reasonable, non gender conspiracy laden buzz word terms, why what I was saying is wrong.

(January 2, 2015 at 12:44 am)Surgenator Wrote: Egalitarianism is defined as gender equality not feminism. Feminism focus is womens right which are being infringed on. Ido support feminist causes but don't classify myself as a feminist. This is because of the extremist who are small but very vocal.

(November 16, 2015 at 1:47 am)Aroura Wrote:

(November 16, 2015 at 1:32 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Alright well, lets just correct one mistake. Its not predominantly in the atheist community. You can find such videos in any community with the same frequency. Lets nip that in the bud. Let me share my perspective. It might clarify the reason why some men are getting irate;

Everytime I watch a feminist video I am almost always being told, in no uncertain terms, that even though I might not think I'm sexist I am infact sexist. In very sweeping strokes I am told that all members of my sex are sexist and at no point does the irony of that sentiment seem to sink in.
To really put that in perspective its like a black rights group telling me I'm a white privilege asshole whos very existence has helped propagate slavery and prejudice in modern and exotic forms then expecting me to want to continue to the dialogue. In both cases I'm made out to be a monster but am expected to act with understanding. This isn't something limited to extremist feminists either. Why not just make good points and get me onboard instead of constantly insulting me. I shouldn't have to agree with everything said in order not to be a misogynist, why can't a constructive dialogue take place instead of a constant barrage of abuse? Its like because I have male genitals no reasoned points are required, I've lost by default.

Is it probable I'm influenced by a society that was in large part made by men for men? Sure but that isn't the sum total of who I am and that doesn't mean they know my views. They don't, they clearly don't. They don't get the right to make me out to be a misogynist based on the actions of men in the past. If we were all guilty of the crimes of those who came before we would all get the death penalty.
Also; feminism is not for equal rights. It isn't. Its for the promotion of female rights. At no point is it campaigning for both male and female rights. How many times have you seen feminists discuss whether men should get paternity leave voluntarily? If feminists were serious about equal rights they would identify as egalitarians like Surge said. I've yet to see it happen. Theres nothing wrong with having your best interests at heart but can we be honest about it at least? Feminism is not out to improve my lot in life, its asking me to help at the same time as hurling abuse at me.

That being said; why on earth would you subscribe to TheAmazingAtheist to begin with? Thats like shooting yourself in the head then complaining of brain damage.

This is actually what I think is going on.  The problem is language, I think.  I don't even know how to adress is.  It reminds me of how I feel when watching videos about racism.  Because I'm white, I'm automatically racist because of white privilege.  If I try and be color blind, I'm only making the issue worse, apparently. I need to wake up and address race all the time, be aware of it ALL the time.  But I don't see how being constantly aware that my neighbor is a different skin color than me is helping.  I hear the arguments, and I try and do my best to be a good person and fair to all other persons, but that just isn't enough.

This is the problem feminism runs into.  It, obviously, isn't a bad thing. Just like raising awareness to racism is not a bad thing. But some of the basic theories it operates under alienate the very people we need to help, quite on accident for the most part.  Like that we live in a patriarchal society....which we do.  But that automatically kind of turns it into sides, he against she, us vs them mentality.

Honestly, any time you point out that a person has privilege, and it isn't like something THEY are lording over you on purpose, it's a pretty bitter pill to swallow.

I agree. Its weird but I actually think the only way we can actually break free from that web is three words which we absolutely are not allowed to say. "I. Don't. Care". They're beautifully simple and truthful. Tommy Lee Jones knew the magic behind them and we should rediscover it.

They're the words I think when I give money to charity. I mean; yes I want to help but its not like I'm emotionally involved in the struggle. My attitude is basically "Please take my money and leave me alone." I have the same attitude to race and to sexism. I think equal rights should be a thing and I'd do something small to help with that if it didn't take up too much of my time but I don't actually care in that I'm not emotionally invested in the subject. It affects me in the most peripheral way and this needs to be understood. If someones going to convince me to help out they need to be really nice about it. Thats my time and effort we're talking about. I mean I'm in a dressing gown right now, sipping coca-cola and listening to music. If someone busts in right now screaming for me to rise up against the white oppressors I am going to take a short sip, call the police then go back to what I was doing because that shit is just bad for my mellow. 

"Do you want to put your signature on this paper to say you agree women should get equal pay?"
"Sure."
"Do you want to get in a long conversation about how men are responsible for all the evils of the world?"
"Nope. Don't care. Bye." *starts whistling*

I think those words need to be brought back, for one and all. Then we will all be truly equal.

(November 16, 2015 at 2:27 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:

(November 16, 2015 at 2:24 am)The_Empress Wrote: Woohoo!  Rare is the triple!

Yeah, because this isn't even a real conversation. If you think that the same thing applies to me as you, you're mistaken. I'm not the one who comes in with gender conspiracies and then acts like a total ass hat when people disagree with you. To be honest, would you expect any other response from being an asshole? Sorry, you're mistaken. Maybe you could clean up the mess of shit you've been spewing all over this thread. Start by apologizing for being a dick, then if you're feeling up to it, explain in reasonable, non gender conspiracy laden buzz word terms, why what I was saying is wrong.

Man, I'm getting all flustered. I don't think I've ever been graced with a quad!

Would you care to cite some of the "shit I've been spewing all over this thread"? Or how about the "gender conspiracies" I've come in with?  I can't remember the last time I posted in it before I posted about the irony that drips off of you, and it's almost a year old, so how about you apologize for attributing to me what isn't mine?

(November 16, 2015 at 2:36 am)The_Empress Wrote:

(November 16, 2015 at 2:27 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: Yeah, because this isn't even a real conversation. If you think that the same thing applies to me as you, you're mistaken. I'm not the one who comes in with gender conspiracies and then acts like a total ass hat when people disagree with you. To be honest, would you expect any other response from being an asshole? Sorry, you're mistaken. Maybe you could clean up the mess of shit you've been spewing all over this thread. Start by apologizing for being a dick, then if you're feeling up to it, explain in reasonable, non gender conspiracy laden buzz word terms, why what I was saying is wrong.

Man, I'm getting all flustered. I don't think I've ever been graced with a quad!

Would you care to cite some of the "shit I've been spewing all over this thread"? Or how about the "gender conspiracies" I've come in with?  I can't remember the last time I posted in it before I posted about the irony that drips off of you, and it's almost a year old, so how about you apologize for attributing to me what isn't mine?

The stuff that other feminists in this thread have been saying, I assume, aligns with your thoughts. Otherwise why would you be commenting to me, unless you specifically disagreed with what I was arguing with those other people? Are you defending their points, or have you specifically singled out me for some other reason? As of right now, it seems like you've taken it upon yourself to pick a fight with me. Condescending points don't count as an argument, but maybe in your world you somehow haven't been condescending. Hell, for all I know, in the mind of a feminist, this may count as having a real, intelligent conversation. The hell if I know.

Well, I can't say I agree with your conclusion there, Raphiel, but you have a right to it.  I DO care, otherwise I wouldn't spend time helping at the local food bank.  I'm not so poor anymore, but I know that my life, and my child's future, and many other people around me are affected by the poverty of others.  I do get into discussion with people, otherwise I wouldn't be an atheist.  I care what other people have to say, how they feel, and if I can help.

I don't care are 2 words that are certainly NOT lost, so they don't need to be brought back.  I see it every day.  Watch the people stepping over the guy sleeping on the street, watch the people doing nothing while their government tears the world apart.  A long as you all have your hot cocoa, people don't care, and they sure as hell aren't ashamed to show how much they don't care.

So, I suppose if the issue affects you, then you would want other people to care?  Yeah. Good luck with that.

(November 16, 2015 at 2:23 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:

(November 16, 2015 at 2:18 am)The_Empress Wrote: Double irony. Not surprising.

Yeah I still don't get it and to be honest I'm getting annoyed as fuck. I don't see what your deal is, but you're coming off as a total bitch.

(November 16, 2015 at 2:40 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:

(November 16, 2015 at 2:36 am)The_Empress Wrote: Man, I'm getting all flustered. I don't think I've ever been graced with a quad!

Would you care to cite some of the "shit I've been spewing all over this thread"? Or how about the "gender conspiracies" I've come in with?  I can't remember the last time I posted in it before I posted about the irony that drips off of you, and it's almost a year old, so how about you apologize for attributing to me what isn't mine?

The stuff that other feminists in this thread have been saying, I assume, aligns with your thoughts. Otherwise why would you be commenting to me, unless you specifically disagreed with what I was arguing with those other people? Are you defending their points, or have you specifically singled out me for some other reason? As of right now, it seems like you've taken it upon yourself to pick a fight with me. Condescending points don't count as an argument, but maybe in your world you somehow haven't been condescending. Hell, for all I know, in the mind of a feminist, this may count as having a real, intelligent conversation. The hell if I know.

Man, I think that's a quint, and a sextuple in there!

Why would you assume my views align with everyone you disagree with? My responses to you have simply been to point out the irony and hypocrisy you have displayed.

By the way, my only real contribution to this thread has been this:

(January 5, 2015 at 3:47 pm)The_Empress Wrote: Just a quick aside: Godslayer, you do realize it takes more than money to raise a child, right?  What if the parent who makes more money works more hours?  Why would that parent have majority custody of a kid, when the other parent has more time to spend with him or her?

Also, militant feminism has become one of the reasons I hate labels.  I'm for equal rights for all individuals, and the term "feminism" has evolved to a point where I'm uncomfortable relating to it.  I think I'll just stick to my individual causes while I fight, in my own small way, for equality in general.

Now, would you like to eat your words and apologize, or would you like to keep digging? My suggestion is the former.

I would assume you're agreeing with the people I'm arguing against, because you seemed to decide to back them up by calling me a hypocrite or something. If that's not the case, then I am glad I don't really feel like apologizing for anything though, plus reputation doesn't govern the accuracy of the things you say. So I'll be fine.