Yeah, keeps all the bad bits, cherry picks some good bits to look moderate.

Again, I have to ask what is the long term plan for the refugees? The debate is focused on whether or not to let them in at all, but I haven't heard much in the way of what the plan is once they're here. Once the immediate humanitarian crisis is addressed, then what?

I have absolutely no clue, and it's a scary prospect. If there is a plan, I would love to know. I can't even begin to come up with sensible ideas either.

It almost seems like the politicians are hoping it will just go away. I hope I'm wrong there.

I think the fact that so many Muslims don't disapprove of Al-Qaeda and The Taliban is more a testament to how well those groups have dictated The Muslim narrative in recent decades. If you believe, whether you're a Muslim or a non-Muslim (because these fake "leftists" buy into it too) that Al-Qaeda, The Taliban and ISIS are pro-Muslim groups who are all about Muslim consciousness and freedom, you're a fucking fool and you've been duped.

People will love to talk about how these groups act in the interest of Muslims as a response to how the West treats Muslims, but then they'll be the first to turn around and blow up a market-place in Baghdad, full of... you guessed it, Muslims. These terrorist groups will throw Muslims under the bus for some political power just as fast as they'd throw non-Muslims under the bus. Nobody should be looking up to terrorist groups like this as good representatives of their culture. But I guess Western Muslims, who are sitting comfortable under the security and safety of living in the West, probably aren't aware of this...

I will say that at least most of those statistics are minorities. Fucking big minorities, but still minorities. Trying to find a positive here. 39% of Muslims believing 9/11 was justified means 61% didn't... And there are a lot of white Non-Muslims Western fuckwits who also believe it was justified, George Galloway.

Killing innocent, uninvolved people should never be considered a "reaction" other than that of a deranged psycopath. It seems brutal religious indoctrination and the right culture can produce large numbers of people who don't care about anyone not in their cult.

If I'm not mistaken, the Quran promotes the idea that non-Muslims are lesser, not even worthy of being called human. This probably extends to people who aren't interpreting Islam "correctly" as well.

It probably does. People are products of their environment. If you're raised in a certain faith, you almost certainly will have biases that others won't have.

(November 21, 2015 at 9:07 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I will say that at least most of those statistics are minorities. Fucking big minorities, but still minorities. Trying to find a positive here. 39% of Muslims believing 9/11 was justified means 61% didn't... And there are a lot of white Non-Muslims Western fuckwits who also believe it was justified, George Galloway.

This is the point I'm making though. It's okay saying "the majority are "peaceful" or "moderate" (even some of these statistics dispute that), but even 30% of 1.5 billion Muslims across the world is a sizeable amount of people. It's more people than the population of America. And people say "most Muslims" as though it means anything?

(November 21, 2015 at 5:25 am)robvalue Wrote: It seems Islam won't allow itself to be watered down to basically nothing like Christianity has been. It contains these dangerous elements that stand fast, and in significant numbers even among "moderates".

Antidotes:

1) Education
2) Critical thinking
3) Oppose all attempts in secular countries to set up religious laws above secular ones, even in small areas
4) Stop pretending religion isn't causing problems

Here are the problems:
1 - Muslims seem to be fond of having their own Islamic schools even in western countries where it's authorized, and thus they teach some things right according to science but others are according to the Quran, so they create a mentality of US V THEM

2 - Without the former this is not possible, not to mention muslims like to claim they are scientific critical thinkers by pointing out obvious evidence in the Quran

3 - This is already happening however it doesn't make anything better, it just creates more conflict between Muslims and other people

4 - NAILED IT

(November 21, 2015 at 7:27 am)robvalue Wrote: I hadn't thought about that! Good point. Islam learns from Christianty's "mistake".

Violence was at the heart of Islam from the very start though. I don't think they necessarily "learned it" as time went on. There was bloodshed since Mohammed himself.

Quote:Here's the problem with islam, the way I see it - it has actual totalitarian control over large populations, which differentiates it from most other religions.

When xtianity had actual totalitarian control over large populations they were pretty much dicks, too.  Perhaps you remember?




Holy horseshitters are the same no matter what stupid hat they wear.