Not only that but justified true belief isn't always enough to be knowledge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_pr...rue_belief

(January 4, 2016 at 1:51 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: ...and atheists get annoyed with theists coming here and regularly telling us how stupid and ignorant we are.  This is our home, leave us be.

1) AF would be very very dull if not for theists.
2) I don't tell everyone they are stupid and ignorant, just people like you.

(January 4, 2016 at 4:06 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(January 4, 2016 at 11:56 am)ChadWooters Wrote: The definition is quite simple: justified true belief. Any qualifications of that definition come from your own bias.

Is there justified true belief of spiritual things?  How does one verify that their beliefs about spirituality are justified and true?

What of the spiritual is considered knowledge?

How do you distinguish between what you call a "spiritual" belief from the set of all possible beliefs?

(January 4, 2016 at 3:35 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(January 3, 2016 at 9:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: What would you put belief in morals and human value in? In spiritual belief or scientific knowledge?

Belief, but not spiritual.

Are we justified in believing in human value?

(January 4, 2016 at 4:10 pm)Evie Wrote: Not only that but justified true belief isn't always enough to be knowledge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_pr...rue_belief

Wow! You found an answer you like using Google! Amazing. not.

(January 4, 2016 at 4:17 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(January 4, 2016 at 3:35 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Belief, but not spiritual.

Are we justified in believing in human value?

Sure we are. 

I value my life, the life of my family and friends, and by reason of being a human being, biased toward my own species, I have the ability to extrapolate value on to others I do  not personally know.

All it takes is a bit of empathy, our evolutionary past, and logic and reason. 

There is zero reason to posit a deity in order to value human beings.

(January 4, 2016 at 4:23 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(January 4, 2016 at 4:17 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Are we justified in believing in human value?

Sure we are. 

I value my life, the life of my family and friends, and by reason of being a human being, biased toward my own species, I have the ability to extrapolate value on to others I do  not personally know.

All it takes is a bit of empathy, our evolutionary past, and logic and reason. 

There is zero reason to posit a deity in order to value human beings.

What scientific evidence is there to prove human worth or value?

Did you base your belief in human value on science or other then that?

Do you believe humans before scientific method were justified in believing in human value or not?

(January 4, 2016 at 4:14 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(January 4, 2016 at 1:51 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: ...and atheists get annoyed with theists coming here and regularly telling us how stupid and ignorant we are.  This is our home, leave us be.

1) AF would be very very dull if not for theists.

No it would still be very interesting and still be full of awesome people, it would be just less interesting and full of less awesome people, although many of the theists are not so interesting (as many of the atheists aren't).

Quote:2) I don't tell everyone they are stupid and ignorant, just people like you.

Well you're wrong, she isn't. It's also rude and unnecessary to say to her.

"Value" is a subjective judgement. Nothing can prove anything has objective value.

What some weird being supposedly watching us all thinks about it is as subjective as anything else.

Either you care about other people being happy, or you don't. You can find reasons to justify that to yourselves logically or "spiritually" but in the end it's just how you are. Of course, people can change over time though.

(January 4, 2016 at 4:51 pm)robvalue Wrote: "Value" is a subjective judgement. Nothing can prove anything does or not have objective value.

What some weird being supposedly watching us all thinks about it is as subjective as anything else.

Either you care about other people being happy, or you don't. You can find reasons to justify that to yourselves logically or "spiritually" but in the end it's just how you are. Of course, people can change over time though.

I wish i knew how to lay out my posts like this.