(January 7, 2016 at 1:19 am)Vincent Wrote: So with the brain gone, how would you even be aware to experience the tortures of hell or the blissful paradise of Heaven? Without a brain to process those feelings, you cannot actually feel them. Without a brain to remember and communicate with your loved ones, how can you meet them in heaven, how can you recognize them, how can you speak to them? Those are all abilities of a brain you no longer have. 

Well when you put it like that it almost sounds like a nonsensical piece of childish wish fulfillment.

Contrary to the claims of the OP, there is no proof that mechanistic brain functions actially produce qualia and/or intentionally, as opposed to to say mediating those phenomena. At best, materialism can only offer a promissory note of future discovery based on intellectual precommitments.

(January 7, 2016 at 9:28 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Contrary to the claims of the OP, there is no proof that mechanistic brain functions actially produce qualia and/or intentionally, as opposed to to say mediating those phenomena. At best, materialism can only offer a promissory note of future discovery based on intellectual precommitments.

Or you could take a lot of acid or illegal substances and you can simulate being in heaven.
Because you know the bible says everyone would be in a state of euphoria

(January 7, 2016 at 9:28 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Contrary to the claims of the OP, there is no proof that mechanistic brain functions actially produce qualia and/or intentionally, as opposed to to say mediating those phenomena. At best, materialism can only offer a promissory note of future discovery based on intellectual precommitments.

Go drink a few too many beers then come back here and argue that. I want to be amused at the deepest possible level.

(January 7, 2016 at 9:28 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Contrary to the claims of the OP, there is no proof that mechanistic brain functions actially produce qualia and/or intentionally, as opposed to to say mediating those phenomena. At best, materialism can only offer a promissory note of future discovery based on intellectual precommitments.

You yourself are material, and as a consequence you can only offer a promissory note of future discovery based on intellectual precommitments.

I hate to be the bearer of bad new, but Ant overlords await everyone in the afterlife.
And everyone means everyone. Sorry! 

I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

(January 7, 2016 at 9:10 am)Rhythm Wrote: The general notion, is that the "soul" in the afterlife is an analog for the body, regarding senses.  We hear of the beautiful sights in heaven, the beautiful music, the pleasures and happiness.  There are, apparently, spirit ears, and spirit eyes, spirit tongues and spirit hands for your spirit self.   The body (and brain) seems a bit redundant in that context, but fuck it, these people are crazy, what did you expect?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. 

(January 7, 2016 at 9:28 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Contrary to the claims of the OP, there is no proof that mechanistic brain functions actually produce quality and/or intentionally, as opposed to to say mediating those phenomena. At best, materialism can only offer a promissory note of future discovery based on intellectual precommitments.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. There has been no scientific reason to believe that brain functioning is not produced and regulated through material and natural processes . In fact, all scientific evidence points to the contrary. Simply typing out a bunch of pseudo-science using impressive terminology doesn't make it any more credible or realistic.

Theists seem to put an awful lot of weight on ballsy claims like this: "We are right. We got all this shit figured out. Just you wait, science will eventually catch up to us and prove all that we're saying." 

You seem to forget, through the ages it has always been religion trying to catch up with science, and not the other way around.

Ah, but nearly all xtians that I have met - and I was raised xtian - believe that the "person/soul" and the "body" are completely separate entities.  The real person and consciousness somehow exist in a non-corporeal energy state that is freed from the (horrible nasty sexual) prison of a body at death.  (I think they also used to believe the soul wandered - that's why we dream.)  The soul has all of our memories and our senses, but none of the physical needs or desires.

I'm aware of many xtians who spend their days looking forward to the time when they will see their Mother, Father, siblings, husband or wife, pets, etc., again, in an eternal place where all needs are met, and everything is beauty.  And they will do anything here on earth to make sure that they get there.

I can still see the allure.  I'm actually a little depressed at the thought that none of these people will ever learn that they were wrong.  I mean, can you imagine being a priest, for example - - one of the few that didn't rape kids, I mean - - and get to the afterlife, only to be told that Yahweh and Jesus never existed.      

(January 7, 2016 at 12:31 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

Kiss-Ass!