(January 14, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Heat Wrote: I can't believe the fucking kid is actually arguing in favor of slavery as when I originally posted that as an alternative option I was being sarcastic expecting him to have at least some sense of morality..

Indeed. Sadly I could have written his response for him in advance. We've become so accustomed to the broken thinking of certain regulars that we could probably ban them all and use the accounts ourselves and no one would notice the difference.

(January 14, 2016 at 1:27 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 12:59 pm)Drich Wrote: Again since you seem to be of the petros school of understanding, I will break it down further:

Yes, please do, continue until we can find some spec of sense in all of this  inanity.  

Quote:Your life is filled with food and products that were grown assembled or produced by people who make little to nothing/can not support their lives for what money they make, and therefore are often indebted to the company they work for to subsidize their basic needs, which means they can not leave their jobs. This is not an example of a chattle slave but a slave none the less by definition. (A person held in servitude; one that is completely subservient to another)

-and..what.....does someone else's predatory business model, which is not slavery to begin with, have to do with me...and whether or not I condone slavery?  I'm left wondering, additionally..when you snuck into my house and took inventory?  How you managed to determine the provenance of my possessions?

Your fantasies about joseph are useless in this regard, and would be irrelevant even if they were actually true, so I think we can let that dog lie.

So let me get this straight, is drippy saying that slavery and paid employment are the same, simply because in both cases you're being told what to do? Well, fuck me pink, is he thick.

He is also apparently saying that anything happening today is implicitly morally acceptable to us, just because it is happening, without knowing anything about us. He is thus attempting a (failed) tu quoque, deflecting from the original point that he condones slavery because a book says so. Trying to call atheists hypocrites seems to be one of the go-to arguments on this forum, and it's utterly irrelevant because it doesn't address the actual point being made, even if true. And almost always, it's not true, because atheists are not a hive mind.

This is exactly what he did last time slavery was brought up, and the time before...

Hmm, I just realized that if Drich really does think the Exodus happened as written, it exposes yet another contradiction. Drich says there is no free will, yet the stories clearly state God "hardens the heart" of the Pharoah. He does this to make him refuse to free the slaves, so he can continue to justify to himself sending down more cruel plagues.

This clearly implies that the Pharoah would normally have had at least some other choice he could have made.

(January 14, 2016 at 1:29 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 1:17 pm)Drich Wrote: Again, Not all slaves were treated badly I gave examples from the bible and modern times. Why don't you try addressing the points I made rather than speaking about the stereotype your comfortable with?

Also the fact that I'm giving you points about slavery you are not familiar with should indicate to you that I have indeed 'done my research.' your turn.

Ahem citation please.. because you know slaves were beaten killed and even  raped etc. 
Slaves are not treated like human beings they are treated less than human.

Yes sport, I would say the vast majority were treated badly, But not everyone who had slaves treated them badly. Washington had a policy where not only where the slave tipped/received bonuses he also promoted slaves to spend free time to better themselves and their living arrangements.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...lives.html

Understand I never said slave were not treated badly ever. I said NOT ALL Slaves Must be treated badly. Nike shoes is a good modern example of this. Ive left posts that explain this in greater detail already.

Understand I never said that slaves were never beaten or treated badly. I said that they did not have to be.

(January 14, 2016 at 3:21 pm)Rhythm Wrote: They....were......slaves.

so?

Slave is a title, and a set of negative stereotypes you assign to a word. When in reality the definition of slavery has nothing to do with the stereotypes. Bottom line it is possible to fall into the definition of slavery and elect to do so. Not only that, thrive and be even happy. IF the work environment is regulated humanely.

Why do you think the Nike factory can only pay 35 cents an hour (before that 16 cents an hour?) why do you think people kept coming back even after they were beaten/whipped for not meeting quota? Because they all know Nike may only offer 1000 'jobs' at a given factory and there are 10's of thousands if hundreds of thousands of people all super desperate to sell their souls to the company just to get that 35 cents an hour. because their is nothing else besides mosquito farming.

When you look down at what people like nike are doing. You do so because YOU would not want to work there under those conditions, the desperate people of a given 3rd world region see slavery to a corporation like Nike as an opportunity. Not as something to avoid.

Our role should not be one to ignore and lie to ourselves so that companies like nike go unregulated, just so d-bags like you can pretend to be better than every generation that has come before you. Our role should be to own our own dependence on slavery so we can over see and try and make the slave situation more better for those who were born in the wrong part of the world. Like it or not sport, every aspect of modern life has been touched by a modern slaves hands in one way or another. Their is a reason America does not make Anything any more, and why unregulated nations like china make everything.

To hide your head in the sand and pretend that you do not contribute to slavery make you far worse a person than those who owned and beat slaves hundreds of years ago. You are not only denying them access to a modern life that would rival the life of any king of old, but you also have turned them over to be treated any way their task masters would like. All because you want to pretend modern life has freed the slaves.

(January 14, 2016 at 3:37 pm)Heat Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 12:44 pm)Stimbo Wrote: The morality of homosexuality didn't change; society's perception of it changed. Consensual sexuality is never immoral by nature, whereas owning another human as property is and always has been.

This this this, one hundred percent I agree.

then answer the questions I asked him that he has failed to respond to.

(January 15, 2016 at 10:51 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 3:37 pm)Heat Wrote: This this this, one hundred percent I agree.

then answer the questions I asked him that he has failed to respond to.

No thanks, you win bud.

Why can't you be satisfied with your own comments unless everybody joins your slavery support club Drich?

(January 12, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(January 12, 2016 at 12:23 pm)athrock Wrote: Generally? Yes.

But you seem to have forgotten that the whole point of the story is that the Hebrew god chose to warn Noah in advance.

What would have happened if Noah couldn't meet the deadline? Would this god have extended it a couple of weeks or whatever? At least Morgan Freeman waited for Steve Carell to finish building the boat before doing his thing, even if the only reason all the animals and onlookers were in any danger at all was precisely because the boat was being built.

Well, wouldn't you?