(January 28, 2016 at 4:40 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(January 28, 2016 at 4:34 pm)Jenny A Wrote: You are in a mind set where you see two alternatives:  god's law and popular morality.  I don't see god's law as an alternative. I see god's law as a justification some people use to justify their popular morality. And the Bible provides them with plenty of flexibility to do just that.  You see, it's all popular morality.  It's just that some people use god to shut down the conversation about what that morality should be.

^^^This.

^^^the last paragraph from the above post

(January 28, 2016 at 8:39 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(January 28, 2016 at 5:15 pm)Drich Wrote: But again, how is that value NOT programmed into you by the society you live in?

And what would happen to you if society programmed you to do the opposite as with Nazi Germany and the vast majority of the German population at that time??

But how is that any different than your situation?  You would have us believe your morality comes from the bible.  What if the 'bible' you'd been given was Mein Kamph?

but... what if I'm not pushing 'morality'/acts or behavior with any 'good or bad' values attached to them?

(January 29, 2016 at 11:02 am)ChadWooters Wrote: To the OP, is it possible that conforming to a moral absolute often entails responding to specific circumstances including the times amd cultures in which people find themselves?

more or less yes... but my question is what if you were born in the next Nazi Germany morally speaking, would you be able to know given your current value system? What transcends the right and wrong of the culture?

How do you/we know if we are not currently living in a nazi germany morally speaking...

(January 29, 2016 at 11:02 am)Rhythm Wrote: Sorry buddy, my heart is just a blood pump.  If you want to be a shitty poet go and do that, but not while you discuss what you purport to be facts of divine importance.  I'm not interested in atonement, and gods opinion of all morality is worth nothing to me, as are the teachings of the bible as related by yourself.  

A complex subject?  Doesn't seem like it, you just summed up your position in what, three sentences...summed up gods in one sentence.....none of which have any relevance to me.  To you and to god all morality is crap.  NP, you've recused yourselves from the discussion of morality.  Why then, do you persist?  What questions do you think I would have for you -or- your god?  There was nothing I needed either of you to explain to me -before- you'd excluded yourselves from the discussion, what could either of you possibly have to say now?

look if you cant conform to the rules and definitions of basic English then asking me to try and explain this too you, will not be possible. changing the meanings of words so you can willfully not accept a premise or fore gone conclusion is just plain foolish obstinance. something I will not be apart of.

(January 29, 2016 at 12:12 pm)Evie Wrote:

(January 29, 2016 at 10:38 am)Drich Wrote: I will never cease to be amazed that you all still can't get that the 'daily beatings' aren't for the Father's children... they are for those who arent.

Yeah because that makes it perfectly okay right?  

So as long as he's not beating his own children it's perfectly okay?

Even your own analogy makes you look like a cunt.

only to the one slated for a beating...

Oh, and it's not my analogy. i just fix the analogy given the terms provided. If you don't like the wording take it up with the genus who came up with it, not me.

(January 29, 2016 at 2:30 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(January 29, 2016 at 10:40 am)Drich Wrote: That the exact question I'm asking isn't it? What do you have that will help you see through whatever you've been taught?

Sadly you never seem to turn your questions inward.  You give the impression of someone entirely lacking in self reflection.  Is it a show you put on to help you land those souls for Jesus or are you really that shallow?

when i was a boy behind my grandfather house was a piece of property where the Ice plant run off water would gather.. As you could imagine it was cold.. even on the hottest days it was still very very cool 60's maybe. and the best part it was crystal clear you could see all the way to the bottom, but I was told not to swim there because it was too deep. well I took it upon myself to survey the area, and to my 8 year old eye it did not look deep at all so I decided to wade out in it and very quickly I found I was in over my head.

I know your not 8, but if you think as your peers do that I am trying to replace pop morality with what the church or anyone else would identify as 'god's morality' you are indeed in over your understanding of this subject.

For a moment just assume I am saying ALL morality is bad. what then would be your next question or statement? would it look like the two sentence post you just left?

(January 29, 2016 at 3:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: That you have chosen to describe all morality as bad implies yet another moral value system fundamental to your conclusion.  I assume that one must be bad too, since they're all bad...so why should anyone care?  

Hell, why do you.....do you...?

define morality

I have defined it several times but since you seem to be working on your own dictionary I need you to define what you mean by 'morality.'