(February 1, 2016 at 3:22 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(January 31, 2016 at 3:08 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The Nazis actually lost the war for maybe a thousand reasons.  The primary reason was that they were basically stupid.  They were done for as soon as they fired the first shot.

Oh, get serous! The Nazis didn't take half of Europe by being stupid people, and they could have ultimately succeeded if their dictator-in-chief wasn't a delusional idiot.

(February 1, 2016 at 3:11 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(January 29, 2016 at 4:35 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Why are so many people afraid to examine propaganda claims?  Religious folks swear by the imaginary deities and ethnocentric religious fairy tales.  People go bat shit crazy when someone questions the "holocaust".  Hell, we have more WWII "holocaust" museums in the US than shopping malls. Talk about brainwashing.  Herzl's plan worked perfectly.  

Some people really get pissed when others cast doubts on their favorite fairy tales.

Well of course it's possible that tales of a Nazi death camp scenario would be exaggerated, distorted, or even completely falsified. Given the consistency of eyewitnesses, victims, and officer confessions, plus extensive video footage and documentation by none other than the SS, that idea is in this case highly doubtful. Given the lack of credible denials from even one reliable source since 1945, it couldn't be more likely that you are talking absolute hiney-drool. Ultimately it is time and the record regarding reasonably-credentialed whistleblowers which separate historical fact from conspiracy to revise history. Also, the more who are involved in a conspiracy, the less likely that it will survive more than a year or two without the lid being blown off it. Now I've little doubt that record-keeping in WWII Europe wasn't so bad that 6 million Jews could not be accounted for between government, testimony of sympathizing friends and families living abroad - do the math! What did or did not happen in Nazi-held Europe most certainly did not take place in the world of oral tradition, which made it so easy for the proliferation of myths which people still cling to for lack of better records that say nay.

(February 2, 2016 at 8:47 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(February 1, 2016 at 3:11 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Well of course it's possible that tales of a Nazi death camp scenario would be exaggerated, distorted, or even completely falsified. Given the consistency of eyewitnesses, victims, and officer confessions, plus extensive video footage and documentation by none other than the SS, that idea is in this case highly doubtful. Given the lack of credible denials from even one reliable source since 1945, it couldn't be more likely that you are talking absolute hiney-drool. Ultimately it is time and the record regarding reasonably-credentialed whistleblowers which separate historical fact from conspiracy to revise history. Also, the more who are involved in a conspiracy, the less likely that it will survive more than a year or two without the lid being blown off it. Now I've little doubt that record-keeping in WWII Europe wasn't so bad that 6 million Jews could not be accounted for between government, testimony of sympathizing friends and families living abroad - do the math! What did or did not happen in Nazi-held Europe most certainly did not take place in the world of oral tradition, which made it so easy for the proliferation of myths which people still cling to for lack of better records that say nay.

Sure, the Nazis killed Jews.  It's BS that they killed 6 million Jews.  The propagandists had originally floated 8 million but the dummies in Washington said that that BS wouldn't fly so they settled on 6 million.  And that was in 1943.

(February 2, 2016 at 9:26 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(February 2, 2016 at 8:47 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Sure, the Nazis killed Jews.  It's BS that they killed 6 million Jews.  The propagandists had originally floated 8 million but the dummies in Washington said that that BS wouldn't fly so they settled on 6 million.  And that was in 1943.

Well, you know who's always had the final say on history. To the victors go the rights to tell exaggerated genocide/war crimes stories!

Anyway, what if it was only 3 million Jews who were murdered just for being Jewish? Would the injustice be any different?

1 million Jews?

500,000?

10-100 who hadn't committed any crimes?

(February 2, 2016 at 9:26 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(February 2, 2016 at 8:47 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Sure, the Nazis killed Jews.  It's BS that they killed 6 million Jews.  The propagandists had originally floated 8 million but the dummies in Washington said that that BS wouldn't fly so they settled on 6 million.  And that was in 1943.

Well, you know who's always had the final say on history. To the victors go the rights to tell exaggerated genocide/war crimes stories!

Anyway, what if it was only 3 million Jews who were murdered just for being Jewish? Would the injustice be any different?

1 million Jews?

500,000?

10-100 who hadn't committed any crimes?

(February 3, 2016 at 3:58 am)Rhythm Wrote: Some number of victims are likely the result of allied bombings.  I don't begrudge us whatever number that is, but it deserves mention.