(February 22, 2016 at 7:23 pm)Lek Wrote: Jesus was 100% God and 100% man.  When we say talk about the Trinity, that is the explanation of Jesus.

That makes 200 percent. Pretty large for a person.

Apart from that - 100 percent god is good enough to be immortal and to simply shed 100 percent human, since it didn't matter.

I want a reasonable explanation from you. Not some theological gobbledigok that you obviously can't transform into a reasonable thought. Not even priests are able to and stumble over the trinity everytime, when asked to deviate from their dogmatic script.

(February 22, 2016 at 7:14 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 6:28 pm)Lek Wrote: The bible says that Jesus' sacrifice was for all mankind, not just for a few of us.

And you give that fiat credulity just because the bible said it, despite the fact that the bible is only 1700 years old while the vast majority of humanity began its sojourn on Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago.

Does Jesus' sacrifice include the Neanderthal and the common ancestor we share with apes? No? Well, does it include the early Homo sapiens or only the modern Homo sapiens?

If those species were human, then it includes them.

(February 22, 2016 at 7:31 pm)Lek Wrote: If those species were human, then it includes them.

Oh, how generous.

Come up with something reasonable for the trinity, will you. Other than what you pastor/priest told you to reply. God split into three pieces, but all three being god, hence sharing all of god's powers and attributes.

(February 22, 2016 at 7:28 pm)abaris Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 7:23 pm)Lek Wrote: Jesus was 100% God and 100% man.  When we say talk about the Trinity, that is the explanation of Jesus.

That makes 200 percent. Pretty large for a person.

Apart from that - 100 percent god is good enough to be immortal and to simply shed 100 percent human, since it didn't matter.

I want a reasonable explanation from you. Not some theological gobbledigok that you obviously can't transform into a reasonable thought. Not even priests are able to and stumble over the trinity everytime, when asked to deviate from their dogmatic script.

OK.  I'll answer your question.  To me the concept of the Trinity is reasonable, but not understandable.  It's reasonable to me because I believe in an all-powerful God.  And you're right that the priests and me are giving you the biblical answer to your question.  I'm 100% aware that the whole God thing can't be proven by natural means.  I think many things point to God, but I can't do an experiment to prove it.  I think Abaris exists, but I'm not really sure.  If I knock on your door and meet you face to face, then I'll be certain that you exist.  I'm only sure God exists because every time I feel I'm ready to leave christianity, for no apparent reason he reinforces my faith.  I can honestly say that I'm aware of science and human reason and all, but though I have considered leaving christianity, I've never in my life considered being an atheist.

Yeah, Lek, you believe all that, although it doesn't make sense. Even to you, and even for priests. We've been at this point before.

For me, it simply doesn't make sense. An immortal god can't die. So the sacrifice is null and void. Period.

Reasonable but not understandable, huh. Go on, pull the other one.

I'm not sure how something that doesn't make sense, and can't be proven to be true, can be considered reasonable. That's why they like to stress faith, though. You just have to believe hard enough, or you won't get the carrot, and I'll beat you with the stick.

(February 22, 2016 at 8:10 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Reasonable but not understandable, huh.  Go on, pull the other one.

Try quantum physics.

(February 22, 2016 at 8:39 pm)Lek Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 8:10 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Reasonable but not understandable, huh.  Go on, pull the other one.

Try quantum physics.

QM is reasonable because there are mountains of demonstrable evidence for it.

Just because something is not intuitive or does not seem to make common sense, does not mean it is unreasonable.

If the same level of demonstrable evidence was available for your god, I (and the vast majority of atheists), would be believers. Although, I still would not worship this god,

I don't need faith, in the theist sense of the word, to accept QM.

(February 22, 2016 at 7:23 pm)Lek Wrote: Jesus was 100% God and 100% man.  When we say talk about the Trinity, that is the explanation of Jesus.

No, it isn't. It's just infantile, convoluted, meaningless bullsh*t, used by weak-minded people to confuse each other, so that they don't have to face the realization, that they've been kidding themselves and they don't really know anything about anything.