(March 2, 2016 at 1:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: let's see, raising a decomposing corpse from the dead, not impressive; but vaccinations! mans greatest achievement!  

But since you tried to pin the genocide of the Indians on Christianity, will you also give credit to Christianity for inventing the vaccine, that saved all those lives, seeing how the man that invented the smallpox vaccine was a "Jesus freak"?

Therefore what you consider to be the greatest human achievement; was accomplished by a christian...

How do you like them apples.

Vaccinations are certainly more impressive. 

I'll ask again because you seem to have missed it:

What good does raising someone from the dead 2000 years ago, do for someone today?
What good does raising someone from the dead 2000 years ago, do for someone today?
What good does raising someone from the dead 2000 years ago, do for someone today?
What good does raising someone from the dead 2000 years ago, do for someone today?


Do I need to repeat myself more?  Because you seem to just be repeating yourself over and over again.

And no, Christianity doesn't get credit for something just because a Christian did it.  Not unless Christianity led them to do it, and Vaccines surely weren't caused by Christianity. 

You not addressing my point above, simply just proves me right btw.

(March 2, 2016 at 9:54 pm)Cecelia Wrote:

(March 2, 2016 at 1:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: let's see, raising a decomposing corpse from the dead, not impressive; but vaccinations! mans greatest achievement!  

But since you tried to pin the genocide of the Indians on Christianity, will you also give credit to Christianity for inventing the vaccine, that saved all those lives, seeing how the man that invented the smallpox vaccine was a "Jesus freak"?

Therefore what you consider to be the greatest human achievement; was accomplished by a christian...

How do you like them apples.

Vaccinations are certainly more impressive. 

I'll ask again because you seem to have missed it:

What good does raising someone from the dead 2000 years ago, do for someone today?
What good does raising someone from the dead 2000 years ago, do for someone today?
What good does raising someone from the dead 2000 years ago, do for someone today?
What good does raising someone from the dead 2000 years ago, do for someone today?


Do I need to repeat myself more?  Because you seem to just be repeating yourself over and over again.

And no, Christianity doesn't get credit for something just because a Christian did it.  Not unless Christianity led them to do it, and Vaccines surely weren't caused by Christianity. 

You not addressing my point above, simply just proves me right btw.

Maybe you should go back and read the original question,  Jesus raising the dead was never in response to you, I was responding to Wyrd of Gawd.

(February 29, 2016 at 4:31 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: List one thing godly that Jesus did.  

Isn't Moses' miracle of parting the Red Sea more impressive that Jesus turning water into wine?

You can repeat yourself all you want, your point is irrelevant to the original question. What you're doing is what you guys like to refer to as "moving the goal posts".

Also what's interesting is that you were willing to pin the extermination of the Native Americans on Christianity with zero evidence that Christianity condones said extermination, yet you're able to make that distinction when it comes to a Christian doing good.

Edward Jenner actually gave the credit to God for the work he accomplished, didn't you read the quote I posted?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jenner

Quote:Neither fanatic nor lax, Jenner was a Christian who in his personal correspondence showed himself quite spiritual; he treasured the Bible. Some days before his death, he stated to a friend: "I am not surprised that men are not grateful to me; but I wonder that they are not grateful to God for the good which he has made me the instrument of conveying to my fellow creatures."

*emphasis mine* (also changed the relevant part to "blind as bat red")

Since Jenner himself gave credit to God for his work, and since he was a christian are you now willing to credit Christianity for inventing the vaccine?

It's only fair right?

Christianity gets no credit, because it doesn't come from the bible. It came from observation and science.

Imagine if Jesus had told us all about Penicillin, vaccinations, and told us about germ theory, instead of lying to us saying that demons cause sickness. God shouldn't lie.

(March 3, 2016 at 5:16 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Christianity gets no credit, because it doesn't come from the bible.  It came from observation and science.  

Imagine if Jesus had told us all about Penicillin, vaccinations, and told us about germ theory, instead of lying to us saying that demons cause sickness.  God shouldn't lie.

You were quick to blame Christianity for the spread of smallpox to native Americans, but not for the invention of the vaccine? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

So explain why you initially pinned the blame for smallpox on Christians.

(March 3, 2016 at 7:54 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

You were quick to blame Christianity for the spread of smallpox to native Americans, but not for the invention of the vaccine? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

So explain why you initially pinned the blame for smallpox on Christians.

If you'll look back and actually read what I said, you'll see I didn't pin the blame for smallpox on Christianity at all.  All I stated was that you're stating that their quality of life was better before they heard about Jesus.  The natives who you claim had no need for vaccines certainly weren't Christians.

As I stated: If Jesus were in fact omniscient, he could have advanced science by hundreds, thousands of years.  Providing for better quality of life for everyone.  Yet, he didn't.  All he did was perform a few flashy magic tricks that have no evidence, and have no effect on today's world.  It's exactly the sort of claims all the other gods made.  And if Jesus weren't omniscient... (if he existed at all, obviously he wasn't) then there's no way that he could have preached anything about God or what God wants, even if he was his son (if you aren't a believer in the Trinity)

(March 3, 2016 at 8:42 pm)Cecelia Wrote:

(March 3, 2016 at 7:54 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

You were quick to blame Christianity for the spread of smallpox to native Americans, but not for the invention of the vaccine? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

So explain why you initially pinned the blame for smallpox on Christians.

If you'll look back and actually read what I said, you'll see I didn't pin the blame for smallpox on Christianity at all.  All I stated was that you're stating that their quality of life was better before they heard about Jesus.  The natives who you claim had no need for vaccines certainly weren't Christians.

No, I never brought religion into it, that was you.

My quote:

(March 1, 2016 at 6:15 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Funny though, the indigenous peoples of this country had no need for vaccines, until filthy Europeans started gifting them blankets contaminated with smallpox...

Your reply:

(March 1, 2016 at 7:16 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Who exactly are you trying to pin the blame of the spread of smallpox on? Europeans? You mean the ones who came over here, and wanted to evangelize the "savages" and spread the "good word" of Jesus? Those guys? Funny how they apparently didn't need vaccines before the Jesus freaks showed up.

If you aren't blaming Christians for the spread of smallpox, why bring it up?

(March 3, 2016 at 8:42 pm)Cecelia Wrote:

(March 3, 2016 at 7:54 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

You were quick to blame Christianity for the spread of smallpox to native Americans, but not for the invention of the vaccine? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

So explain why you initially pinned the blame for smallpox on Christians.

If you'll look back and actually read what I said, you'll see I didn't pin the blame for smallpox on Christianity at all.  All I stated was that you're stating that their quality of life was better before they heard about Jesus.  The natives who you claim had no need for vaccines certainly weren't Christians.

As I stated: If Jesus were in fact omniscient, he could have advanced science by hundreds, thousands of years.  Providing for better quality of life for everyone.  Yet, he didn't.  All he did was perform a few flashy magic tricks that have no evidence, and have no effect on today's world.  It's exactly the sort of claims all the other gods made.  And if Jesus weren't omniscient... (if he existed at all, obviously he wasn't) then there's no way that he could have preached anything about God or what God wants, even if he was his son (if you aren't a believer in the Trinity)

You have to use magic oil and prayers to cure sick people now since the angel no longer stirs up the magic waters in the pool at Bethesda.