(March 4, 2016 at 7:36 pm)AJW333 Wrote: So all those scientists who write journal articles claiming to be making scientific observations are either lying or deluded?

Again, idiot or misrepresenting on purpose - make your pick.

I may cut you some slack for being an idiot, but if you misrepresented me on purpose by not responding to what I replied to, I don't.

(March 4, 2016 at 7:07 pm)AJW333 Wrote:

(March 4, 2016 at 12:42 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: That would be an abuse of the term 'supernatural'.  Supernatural doesn't just mean that science has failed to explain the phenomena.  It refers to there being no natural explanation of the phenomenon in principle, that no explanation would be correct, whether by accident or otherwise.

This would seem to be the case with abiogenesis. There is no natural explanation of the phenomenon.

How do you know there is no natural explanation (including ones we haven't thought of yet)?

(March 4, 2016 at 7:25 pm)abaris Wrote:

(March 4, 2016 at 7:23 pm)AJW333 Wrote: My God is more plausible than any other because he tells us the future with great precision. Did Zeus do that?

Clarify. Stone cold evidence for god foretelling what is happening now will do. And no, cryptic gobbledigock, up for any kind of interpretation won't.

Isaiah11:11 In that day the Lord will extend his hand yet a second time to recover the remnant that remains of his people, from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush, from Elam, from Shinar, from Hamath, and from the coastlands of the sea. 12  He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

The nation of Israel was destroyed in 586 BC and regathered 70 years later. It was destroyed a second time by the Romans 2000 years ago and the Jews were dispersed to the four corners of the earth. For all this time, the nation of Israel ceased to exist. Then in 1948 God fulfilled his promise to regather the Jews and to restore their nation.

Give him a break Jor. There's not a hell of a lot of gaps left where he can insert his favourite sky fairy. When that one is solved by science it'll be back to objective morality.

(March 4, 2016 at 7:48 pm)AJW333 Wrote: The nation of Israel was destroyed in 586 BC and regathered 70 years later. It was destroyed a second time by the Romans 2000 years ago and the Jews were dispersed to the four corners of the earth. For all this time, the nation of Israel ceased to exist. Then in 1948 God fulfilled his promise to regather the Jews and to restore their nation.

So, you don't even consider the possibility of retcon?

I said something about gobbledigock not being sufficient. I also seem to have asked you about our time.

I help you out.

Quote:Two steel birds will fall from the sky on the Metropolis / The sky will burn at forty-five degrees latitude / Fire approaches the great new city / Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up / Within months, rivers will flow with blood / The undead will roam the earth for little time.

Scary, isn't it?

(March 4, 2016 at 2:53 am)AJW333 Wrote:

(March 4, 2016 at 1:56 am)robvalue Wrote: AJW: OK, you can't be for real man. You're basing whether or not the supernatural might exist on the fact the dictionary doesn't declare it fictional?

No I'm not. Sorry if it came across that way. There is much more to my experience that leads me to conclude that God is real.

(March 4, 2016 at 1:56 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm not denying it might exist either, not that I even understand what it is meant to be.

Here's where it gets sticky. So the supernatural may exist. If that's the case then God may exist yes?

(March 4, 2016 at 7:48 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Isaiah11:11 In that day the Lord will extend his hand yet a second time to recover the remnant that remains of his people, from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush, from Elam, from Shinar, from Hamath, and from the coastlands of the sea. 12  He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

The nation of Israel was destroyed in 586 BC and regathered 70 years later. It was destroyed a second time by the Romans 2000 years ago and the Jews were dispersed to the four corners of the earth. For all this time, the nation of Israel ceased to exist. Then in 1948 God fulfilled his promise to regather the Jews and to restore their nation.

Self-Fulfilling prophecy.

And how about the failed Prophecy Jesus made in Matthew 16:27-28
"For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom"

Totally didn't happen, and all of those people are long dead.  Their children are dead, their grandchildren are dead, their great grandchildren are dead.  Their great greandchildren's great grandchildren's great grandchildren are dead.

Guys, what to you make of Ezekiel?
Sounds like aliens to me?

How can the goat herders have even dreamed up this shit in so much detail?

(March 4, 2016 at 8:44 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Guys, what to you make of Ezekiel?
Sounds like aliens to me?

How can the goat herders have even dreamed up this shit in so much detail?

shrooms? 

(March 4, 2016 at 7:07 pm)AJW333 Wrote: This would seem to be the case with abiogenesis. There is no natural explanation of the phenomenon.

You forgot the most important word, YET. There is no natural explanation of the phenomenon YET.

Just because there is not an explanation (so far, at this time, YET) does not justify "therefore a supernatural boogeyman".