(March 7, 2016 at 8:43 pm)Kitan Wrote: The fact that you believe life was created from dust means you are clearly deranged.

When the earth was formed, it would have consisted simply of dirt, rocks and water. What else was there to create life with?

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(March 7, 2016 at 9:02 pm)abaris Wrote:

(March 7, 2016 at 8:56 pm)AJW333 Wrote: God could have made humanity with no free will. He could have created a bunch of automatons who never ever choose to do anything wrong. I would ask, what would be the point of that when you are a relational being?

Now if freewill is in play, God cannot continually thwart the bad people from doing their evil deeds otherwise freewill ceases to exist. I have reconciled the fact that this is the way things are. For many it seems terribly unfair. I understand that.

God, according to your definition is omniscient and omnipotent. So the above is shit. This is what it's actually is. As it always is when things get uncomfortable.



By the way, in case you missed it, what's your proof for the supernatural existing?

(March 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm)AJW333 Wrote: When the earth was formed, it would have consisted simply of dirt, rocks and water. What else was there to create life with?

Or how about that?



As usual in such things, you prove not to know the science involved. I didn't know either, but I looked it up, since what I knew was sufficient to call bullshit on your simplistic model.

(March 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm)AJW333 Wrote:

(March 7, 2016 at 8:43 pm)Kitan Wrote: The fact that you believe life was created from dust means you are clearly deranged.

When the earth was formed, it would have consisted simply of dirt, rocks and water. What else was there to create life with?

Please tell me you're not serious..?

(March 8, 2016 at 7:32 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(March 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm)AJW333 Wrote: When the earth was formed, it would have consisted simply of dirt, rocks and water. What else was there to create life with?

Please tell me you're not serious..?

Really?! he said THAT!?


AJ, you've earned this:


You went full retard.

Tiny question: what is life made of? Anything that can't be found in rocks (dirt is a form of rock) and water?

(March 7, 2016 at 9:02 pm)abaris Wrote:

(March 7, 2016 at 8:56 pm)AJW333 Wrote: God could have made humanity with no free will. He could have created a bunch of automatons who never ever choose to do anything wrong. I would ask, what would be the point of that when you are a relational being?

Now if freewill is in play, God cannot continually thwart the bad people from doing their evil deeds otherwise freewill ceases to exist. I have reconciled the fact that this is the way things are. For many it seems terribly unfair. I understand that.

God, according to your definition is omniscient and omnipotent. So the above is shit. This is what it's actually is. As it always is when things get uncomfortable.



By the way, in case you missed it, what's your proof for the supernatural existing?

If God used his omnipotence to thwart all acts of evil, then freewill ceases to exist. That won't happen because God has guaranteed free will.

Concerning proof of supernatural, I doubt there is anything I could write that you would believe. I'd be wasting my time trying.

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(March 7, 2016 at 9:05 pm)Kitan Wrote:

(March 7, 2016 at 8:56 pm)AJW333 Wrote: God could have made humanity with no free will. He could have created a bunch of automatons who never ever choose to do anything wrong. I would ask, what would be the point of that when you are a relational being?

Now if freewill is in play, God cannot continually thwart the bad people from doing their evil deeds otherwise freewill ceases to exist. I have reconciled the fact that this is the way things are. For many it seems terribly unfair. I understand that.

Could have

If god is so great, doesn't he want his creations to be the best?

If god is as powerful as he is, he can absolutely thwart evil.  In fact, that would be the precise act of any god.  I suppose we create super heroes to thwart the evil that the creation of god could not accomplish.

I want my children to be the best they can be but do I micromanage their lives for them? That would be a nightmare! Especially since they are adults with their own children.

When the end of the world comes, God will put a stop to all evil, until then, we will see more and more of it, just as the Bible predicted.

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(March 7, 2016 at 10:13 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(March 7, 2016 at 8:41 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Not at all. In the beginning God created life from the dust and then imbued all life with the capacity to reproduce after its own kind. This became the rule, or the law of how life was continued from that point on. There really is no conflict.

Tell me, if you believe in abiogenesis without there being any scientific proof of it, how is that not faith?

Perhaps someone should contact the accreditation folks and tell them that a university let one of theirs got away with a degree in science and a failure to understand the difference between tentatively accepting something as "most plausible" and a faith-decree. If you truly can't understand what "I believe this only to the degree it has been proven" means, then you're not a scientist, no matter what your degree says.

In my brief time at this forum, I have been asked over and over again to prove the supernatural, and been derided for not providing an "acceptable" proof. When I ask for proof of abiogenesis, I see a completely different standard being applied. You accept abiogenesis on the basis that it is "most plausible," with no proof whatsoever. How is that a more credible position than me accepting the supernatural as "most plausible" on the basis of both personal experience and the worldwide, centuries old existence of countless testimonies? At least there are hundreds of thousands of people claiming to have witnessed the supernatural and yet not one who has witnessed abiogenesis.

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(March 7, 2016 at 10:25 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: This liar does not have a science degree unless he found one in a cereal box.

Put up or shut up. $10,0000 says I do.

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(March 7, 2016 at 10:27 pm)abaris Wrote:

(March 7, 2016 at 10:25 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: This liar does not have a science degree unless he found one in a cereal box.

My money is on christian college. About as helpful as used toiled paper in the real world.

UNSW. Inside the top 50 in the world. Check it out.

(March 8, 2016 at 7:47 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Concerning proof of supernatural, I doubt there is anything I could write that you would believe. I'd be wasting my time trying.

You only have to be the scientist you claim to be. Being familar with the methodology involved, I trust.

(March 7, 2016 at 10:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(March 7, 2016 at 9:25 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Isaiah 45:11-12
"It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it I stretched out the heavens with My hands And I ordained all their host (stars).

...have I turned over two pages? In what reality is this a response to the etymology of the word Universe? Because if that's gotta make sense, I don't want to be sober.

I gave you that to show that the Bible does in fact indicate that God created the universe, which was the issue at hand. How can you create the earth, the heavens and the stars and not be creating the universe?

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(March 7, 2016 at 11:16 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(March 7, 2016 at 10:27 pm)abaris Wrote: My money is on christian college. About as helpful as used toiled paper in the real world.

In that case he would be able to at least bluff up some biological terms, like AAA.

He actually stated UNSW, and if that happens to be South Wales then it looks bad for Australia.

He may have a two-year tech certificate which he's trying to pass off as a "science degree", but then fuck anyone who won't be at all forthcoming with even that qualifying information!

I stated elsewhere that I did a full time three year degree at UNSW.

I completed a BSc with an anatomy major. Would you like a list of subjects?

(March 8, 2016 at 8:18 pm)AJW333 Wrote:

(March 7, 2016 at 10:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote: ...have I turned over two pages? In what reality is this a response to the etymology of the word Universe? Because if that's gotta make sense, I don't want to be sober.

I gave you that to show that the Bible does in fact indicate that God created the universe, which was the issue at hand. How can you create the earth, the heavens and the stars and not be creating the universe?

You tell us. It's your fantasy, not mine.

I'd still like an answer to my quoted question, though. A coherent one, if you can manage it.

(March 8, 2016 at 8:18 pm)AJW333 Wrote: I completed a BSc with an anatomy major. Would you like a list of subjects?

No, only a scientific proof for the supernatural. Since that's the claim you're making from start to finish. Interspersed with some bible quotes to leave some impression on some unknown entity, since it can't be aimed at us, or can it?

Otherwise you're just the same as our distant ancestors, filling the gap of the unknown with makebelief of your choosing.

(March 7, 2016 at 11:20 pm)Mamacita Wrote: These are the points I was hoping you would address:
- What is the point of prayer? He gives them a prophetic dream so they can pray for him. Why? Can they change his mind? What does it mean that the god can change his mind? 
- How does the god choose who he will pick for prophetic healing? Free will has nothing to do with the two girls' cancer. 
- Where is your evidence for god? 

Instead you focus on free will. Free fucken will! Round and round we go...

What is the point of prayer? That's like asking, "what's the point of conversation? Why bother talking to people?

Concerning prayer and changing God's mind, what makes you think God always has a fixed outcome that he is going to determine? What if he gives man the capacity to influence an outcome? Perhaps God is wanting us to participate with him (through prayer) in seeing a particular result. Our choice to participate or not may then influence what happens.

Who God chooses to heal is completely arbitrary, that is his prerogative. Sometimes God acts like he's God.